Responses to Questions on
Unificationism on the Internet - Volume 44
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,alt.religion.christian,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: *PERFECT STANDARD OF THE BLESSING* (?)
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:56:53 -0400
Organization: Unification Church - http://www.unification.net
Message-ID: <33867515.45FC@unification.net>
References: <19970523161100.MAA00731@ladder01.news.aol.com>
To: BobNim
BobNim wrote:
> In Blessing and Ideal Family, page 442, Father's words are given as:
> "Originally, it's not Father's responsibility to deal with the previously
> married couples. Father set up the perfect standard of the Blessing."
Rev. Moon says this to indicate that the mission of Christianity was
to prepare people who live a holy life who would be ready for the
coming of the Lord and who would not be tainted by sexual sin. These
will be the ones who take part in the first resurrection.
The Bible says:
"It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for
they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he
goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits
for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found,
for they are spotless." (Rev 14:4-5)
> What does this mean in light of the fact that Father was himself
> previously married and apparently even had a child by that marriage?
His wife insisted on a divorce against his will. It is hard to make a
marriage when one party is wholly unwilling. She wanted him to give up
his evangelistic work and dedicate himself only to her, something he
could not and must not do.
--
Damian Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:33:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
Subject: Re: GWW: Women's liberation Very informative
On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Frederic wrote:
> Damian J. Anderson wrote:
> >
> > God's Will and the World
> > Rev. Sun Myung Moon
> > God's Preparation for Our Church, and Its Early Days
> >
> > May 1, 1977
> > Tarrytown, New York
> >
> > Part 3 of 17
> > Women's liberation
> This is the greatest explanation I have ever read. It makes a lot of
> sense. The Rev Moon was a great inspiring writer. Thank you for sending
> me this material. This is so new. I am sure this is also God's view of
> woman. Sadly, I think Asian women agree and probably share this view.
> American women may not yet be ready.
>
> Thanks
>
> Frederic
Thanks Frederic,
Actually, Rev. Moon is still alive. I saw him in Washington DC just
this last Monday. He is now 77 years old. He spoke at the 15 year
anniversary of the Washington Times which he founded, and before a
conference of leading western literary figures which he sponsored.
You can find much more of his writings on my web page listed below.
Regards,
--
Damian J. Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
Subject: Craig Maxim waxes mendaciously
From: Damian Anderson
Date: 1997/10/01
Message-Id: <875725151.27364@dejanews.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,alt.religion.christian,talk.religion.misc
In article <19970930233201.TAA19607@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
rosamaxim@aol.com (Rosa maxim) wrote:
> >Craig Maxim wrote:
>
> >> " So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of
> >> a person , but IF YOU TELL A LIE to do a good thing for him
> >> that is NOT A SIN ." ( Master Speaks 3/16/72 )
> >
> >That's okay for me.
>
> So was God's commandment " Thou shalt not lie "
> or was it " Thou shalt not lie ..unless? "
This is one of the old themes that the enemies of the Unification Church
have used for a long time. As the story goes, members of the church lie.
It is borne of a prejudice which is in the mind of the accuser, just as
the bigotry of the anti-Semite or the Catholic hater. What basis is there
for this in fact? Rev. Moon does not encourage his disciples to lie, and
to say otherwise is to indicate the mendacity of the accuser.
And, the Bible does not say "thou shalt not lie". It says "thou shalt not
bear false witness" which was intended to prevent people from being
accused and convicted of crimes of which they were innocent. It sounds
like Craig is breaking the very commandment he is erroneously quoting.
> Here are a few examples :
>
> Moon says : Mary was NOT a virgin !
> Old Testament says she will be a virgin !
This is a highly contested interpretation of the OT.
> New testament says she was a virgin !
No, it says that she was a virgin until her first son was conceived.
However, it also says that Jesus had four brothers and a sister, so she
evidently was not permanently virginal.
> Mary says she was a virgin !
Where? She was a virgin when the angel made the announcement to her, but
she was not always so.
> Joseph says she was a virgin !
Really? Where?
> The desciples said she was a virgin !
Ditto. Where?
> Is Moon lying or are all these people lying ?
Neither. You just seek to show the man in a bad light. This reflects on
your character, not his.
> Moon's words portray Jesus Christ , not as being
> born of divine origin but as the bastard son of an
> adulterous woman ! This idea is born of satan and
> not God !
You misrepresent the faith you once so ardently professed. One wonders
what your motives are.
> The Bible says : Jesus rose physically . Moon denies this .
Really, it says physically? Show me. Does a physical man appear and
disappear in locked rooms? A spirit can do this but not a physical man.
An angel can eat food as he did, just as the angels ate with Abraham, so
that does not prove he was a physical man.
> The Bible says : Jesus completed his mission on earth . Moon
> says he did not !
The first letter of John the apostle says that Jesus came to abolish sin.
Last time I looked, it was alive and well.
> The Bible says : not to believe any other doctrine ! Moon gives
> you another doctrine !
Yes, and so does Deuteronomy say this! ;-) Are you to reject Christ's
message because of the pentateuch?
> The Bible says : God is triune in nature . Moon says God isn't !
Show me. Where?
> The Bible says : There is one God . Moon says he is a God also .
He says no such thing.
> The Bible says : God is Jesus father . Rev.Ahn says Moon is Jesus
> father .
Since when is Rev. Ahn the authority?
> Jesus says : the Holy Spirit is masculine . Moon says it is feminine.
Jesus said nothing of the kind.
> Moon says Jesus did not go to heaven . The Bible says : Jesus
> went to be with God in heaven and sit at the right hand of the
> father !
Jesus said that he would go to Paradise. The Divine Principle affirms
this, but suggests that there is a higher level open to those who have
formed a true family blessed by God. Jesus did not have a wife and family
and did not show the standard of conjugal and paternal love as a physical
father.
> The Bible says : Jesus is God . Moon says he is not !
Yours is a questionable and highly debatable assertion. The Bibles says
no such thing exclicitly.
> The Bible says : Jesus existed before creation . Moon says he
> did not !
Questionable interpretation.
> There are many instances such as these where Moon's word
> is opposed to the Bible's word . In each instance Moon is in
> fact proclaiming the Bible to be untrue ! In words , in prophecy
> and in deeds . If you study the Bible well and Moon's words also
> his statements are opposed to the Bible's . This is not merely about
> an interpretation but far more sinister !
You have the zeal of the converted bigot, just like Jesus spoke of the
Pharisees who would go to great lengths to make a proselyte who was twice
as fit for hell as they themselves were. You have done yourself proud,
Craig.
> >responsibility of man, in which God can and will not interfere.
>
> This again is a perversion of God's word ! God interferes with
> man's responsibility all the time . And to say that God cannot do
> something is equating yourself with God . You are not able
> to judge God , or understand him fully , nor will you ever be able to !
God is a God of principle. There are certain things He chooses not to do,
though He has the power to do so, as they would thwart his purpose. A
simple example is that He grants us free will, since if He were to force
us to love and obey Him, it would defeat his own desire to be loved
freely by us from the heart, something which cannot be forced, even by
Almighty God.
> As a wise church father once said : " I saw a little boy
> putting a bucket of water from the ocean into a hole he made
> and repeating the process . I said little boy , what are you doing ?
> He replied I'm putting the ocean into this hole ! I walked away
> laughing at his innocense ! How would you put an enormous
> ocean into this small hole ! And then I realised ! Don't we do
> the same thing ? Attempting to put an infinite God into our small
> minds ? "
Speak for yourself. Small minds! Pshaw!
> Yes we do ! And to say I can't accept that God does something
> unless I understand or approve of it is the ultimate arrogance !
> And Moon is right when he says : " Satan's aggresive arrogance
> is his first nature ! " What he failed to recognise was that very
> evil personally invading him ! So much so that he calls himself a
> God ! This was satan's downfall (wanting to be God) and Moon's
> will it be yours as well ?
Your bitterness reveals your character. Jesus said that we can recognize
his disciples by whether they love one another.
> Craig Maxim < rosamaxim@aol.com >
Damian Anderson
Subject: Re: Will Jesus return on the clouds ?
From: Damian J. Anderson
Date: 1997/10/02
Message-Id: <875841696.1483@dejanews.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,alt.religion.christian,talk.religion.misc
In article <19970930025000.WAA19887@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
rosamaxim@aol.com (Rosa maxim) wrote:
> The Divine Principle expresses that the reference in the
> Bible to Jesus coming on the clouds is symbolic and
> instead means a prepared people that will receive him.
The simple and direct answer is that unless the Messiah comes from the
womb of a woman as he came the first time, then it will not be possible
for him to do the work he must do to restore the Kingdom of God on Earth.
A physical man is required to do this work. If it were only the work of a
spirit, then Jesus in Paradise could have already done it.
> Can someone then answer these questions :
>
> 1. When the Bible says he ascended UP into the
> clouds out of the desciples sight , are we to infer that
> there were a prepared people up in the air that
> obscured the desciples view ? Or were those real clouds ?
>
> 2. Why do angels say "why are you staring in the clouds
> this same Jesus will so come in like manner ?" if they
> aren't real clouds he left in and will return upon ?
>
> 3. Why say this " SAME " Jesus will return if it will be
> another one ? Wouldn't the angels be lying ?
I don't wish to cast aspersions your simplistic faith, so you can go on
believing that Jesus will come on the clouds of heaven and we will hear
on CNN one day that he came and brought you off to heaven. This is a very
comforting view, that you do not need to take any responsibility for the
world, but that Jesus is going to come down from the sky and whisk you
away to heaven. But in reality, those who want to make heaven out of the
hell in which we live must shed their own blood, sweat and tears to make
it happen.
Sincerely,
Damian Anderson http://www.unification.net
Subject: Re: Moon says :My sexual organ is the original palace of love !
From: Damian J. Anderson
Date: 1997/10/02
Message-Id: <875841007.720@dejanews.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,alt.religion.christian,talk.religion.misc
In article <19971002035600.XAA12442@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
rosamaxim@aol.com (Craig Maxim) wrote:
> Believe it or not , this is all from a speech called true God's day :
> >
> > REVEREND SUN MYUNG MOON
> > SPEAKS ON
> > TRUE GOD'S DAY
> >
> > January 1, 1997
> > Brazil
> > Translator - Jung Choe
>
> >God's ideal of creation is consummated when Adam and Eve make love for
> >the first time.
> >Do your hands try to hold her hand or body? There are a lot of
> >beautiful women in the world. Don't try to get away from beauty;
> >Women, suppose that after you are blessed, you happen to meet a
> >handsome man on the street. Is your mind attracted to him?
>
> >If so, you
> >are a slut!
>
> > The palace of life and love
>
> >Your sexual organ is an original palace of life and love.
>
> >My sexual organ is the original
> >palace of love.
> >and it is God who has to dwell in the
> >palace,
>
> > in order to attend God, your sexual organ should be the
> >original palace of life,
> >Your sexual organ is absolute
>
> >You have an absolute part, the palace
> >of your sexual organ.
> > Through marriage, a man and a woman, who are
> >each half, combine their sexual organs and become completed.
> >Are you women of South America going to take the key of only one man?
> >Free sex is when you take ten or 100 keys!
>
> >To act like a slut is to ruin your house of love.
>
> >since everybody has a sexual organ and love is practiced through this
> >organ, the sexual organ enables man to share his joy and sorrow
> >together with God
>
> SEXUAL ORGAN - 21 TIMES
> SLUT - 2 TIMES
> FREE SEX - 1 TIME
>
> Was it Adam and Eve who had a sexual problem or Rev. Moon ?
Craig,
In his own most colorful way, Rev. Moon is teaching that the meeting
point of God's love and human love is in the sexual union of a Godly man
and a Godly woman who embody His love. This is truly a trinity where God
can be fully present, God, man and woman.
Those who violate the law of true absolute pure love cannot belong to
God. So, he says that our body does not belong to ourselves, but to our
spouse, as Paul says in Ephesians 5, and that our sexual organ is the
holiest of holy places. Only one person should have the key to that holy
place, and that is our spouse. There should not be many keys and many
people entering in there. Jesus also said that if you look at a woman
lustfully, then you have committed adultery in your heart. Rev. Moon is
saying something similar here with regard to the woman's side of this.
After almost 40 years of promiscuity promoted by America in the world,
there is a worldwide trend towards emphasizing the sacred value of the
holy union of a man and a woman sworn to eternal faithfulness to one
another before God. This is what is promoted by the teachings and the
practice of the Unification Church.
On November 29, 1997, a Blessing ceremony will be conducted in RFK
Stadium in Washington DC to seal the pledge made by many millions of
couples though only 30 thousand or so of those couples will be able to
attend the event in person. Many others will participate worldwide by
satellite. Currently about 10 million couples have made this pledge,
though we are expecting 36 million by November. So, sexual purity is an
essential tenet of Unification faith and we are encouraging other faiths
to promote this message among their own adherents. Many leaders of
various world religions will be present at the event to give their own
blessing on the marriage commitment of this large and growing group of
people.
You may sneer at the way he has of expressing himself, but the fact is
that he is promoting sexual purity by his emphasis on the sacredness of
the sexual organ, not the opposite as you seem to imply.
Sincerely,
Damian Anderson http://www.unification.net
From damian@unification.net Sun Oct 5 23:13:17 1997
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 16:35:23 -0600
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: damian@unification.net
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification, alt.religion.christian,
talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Was Mary a Virgin ?
In article <19971005012400.VAA23837@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
rosamaxim@aol.com (Rosa maxim) wrote:
> >> Isaiah 7:14 " Therefore the LORD HIMSELF will give you
> >> a sign : Behold , a VIRGIN will be with child and bear a son .."
>
> What do you perceive the sign to be , the sign from God himself ?
> If not a VIRGIN conceiving , which is beyond man's abilities ?
> Excuse me , were beyond our abilities in that time .
Beware of being too dependant on signs for Jesus himself said:
"An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign
shall be given to it except the sign of Jonah." Matt 16:4
Damian Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:48:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: Oleg
Subject: Re: Questions
On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Oleg wrote:
> Dear Mr. Anderson!
> My name is Dmitry Moskalenko. I am from Belarus, Minsk. I have read some
> articles about a Movement, the speeches of the True Parents and at me
> have arisen questions.
> Can you help me?
> 1) what is "original sin"?
Hello Dmitry,
The original sin was the act of the first human ancestors who gave up
their position as God's children and voluntariy put themselves under the
sovereignty of Satan by obeying the words of Satan rather than the words
of God. They fell through an act of illicit sex. You can find more on this
in:
http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-1-2.html
> 2) How Rev. Moon has not "original sin" though he was born at the
> parents with sin ?
God prepared a lineage for Jesus to be born, and for Rev. Moon. Jesus was
born of physical parents too, but God could claim him as His son by virtue
of the spiritual preparation of his lineage.
Please read:
http://www.unification.net/gww/gww-04.html
Change of Blood Lineage; The Real Experience of Salvation by the Messiah
> Please, e-mail me if you can.
> My e-mail: dmos@mpen.bas-net.by
>
> Yours sincerely, Dmitry.
Sincerely,
--
Damian J. Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:09:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: Mary Dirksen
Cc: smars99@unity.pvt.k12.ia.us
Subject: Re: Religion Project
On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Mary Dirksen wrote:
> Dear Rev. Sun Myung Moon,
> Hi, we are wondering if you could answer some questions that we have
> about your religion??
I will give you very brief answers as your questions could require whole
books to answer.
> 1. What is your source of authority, what is your guide on how you
> should live?
We know God through our conscience, through nature, through revealed
scripture. I take the teachings of Rev. Sun Myung Moon very seriously, but
I ultimately follow my conscience.
> 2. Who is your God and what are his characteristics?
There is only one God. You may find numerous descriptions of Him:
The One
Formless, Emptiness, Mystery
Transcendent, All-Pervasive Reality
Sovereign and Omnipotent
Omniscient
Immanent and Near at Hand
Eternal -- in a World of Transcience
The Creator
Goodness and Love
Divine Father and Mother
Refer to http://www.unification.net/ws
Also:
http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-1-1.html
> 3. What is your view of man (human nature) and sin?
Man was created in the image of God but fell from grace due to the Fall
of Man. He is in need of restoration to God's original ideal, which takes
place though the work of the Messiah.
See: http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-1-2.html
and http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-1-4.html
> 4. What do you see as the answer of life or the way of salvation?
The way of salvation is to receive Christ who has come again and receive
the rebirth through the Blessing he is giving to all mankind:
You will see a good overview in:
http://www.unification.net/1996/960416.html
> 5. What is your view of the future? Is there a second life??? Is
> there a Heaven, Hell???????
There is an eternal world, but we must create Heaven on Earth before it
can exist in the eternal world. God is working to destroy evil once and
for all in our age and establish His kingdom. See:
http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-1-3.html
> Thank you for your time and we appreciate You helping us with our
> project. Thanks so much!!!!
> Cindy and Starla
I hope this helps. For more extensive information on our teachings, please
refer to:
http://www.unification.net/teachings.html
Sincerely,
--
Damian J. Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 06:17:32 -0500 (EST)
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: BROSE549@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Death Caused by the Human Fall
On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 BROSE549@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Damian,
>
> I’m responding to a message you posted on one of the religious newsgroup
> message boards.
>
> In your message you quote: Ref. Sun Myung Moon Exposition of the Divine
> Principle 1996 Translation
>
> Chapter 5 Resurrection
>
> Section 1 Resurrection
>
> 1.2 The Death Caused by the Human Fall
>
> < create the spirit world as our final destination?>>
>
> Since I don’t have the writer of this material to question, I pose it to you.
>
> This comment takes for granted a spirit world exists beyond this physical
> world we now live in. If you have that same belief, on what do you base your
> conclusion?
Very simply, man (and woman) was made in the image of God, Gen 1:27, and
God is eternal. Hence, man is eternal. The physical life is temporary, so
it is safe to assume that the spiritual life is eternal.
> I am a student of the bible and I find nothing to suggest a spirit world
> beyond this world we’re living in right now, when all is put into context.
>
> I too believe there are two deaths spoken of in the bible, as this writing
> suggests. I too believe that in one of those deaths man physically lives, as
> it also suggests. However, I believe man may be resurrected from that death
> that Adam and Eve suffered “the day” they ate from the forbidden tree (I
> believe that death spiritual death). That death takes place in this physical
> life we’re living now. I find nothing to suggest this death has anything
> whatsoever to do with physical death, nor does it have anything to do with
> what is on the other side of physical death. IOW, I believe man can live in
> the spirit world (spiritual life as opposed to spiritual death.) while living
> in this physical life we’re living now.
>
> How does that fit to your belief??
Yes, we live in two worlds at the same time. The Divine Principle also
refers to this, that man/woman is the center of the cosmos and the center
of harmony of the spiritual and physical worlds.
You can find more at:
http://www.unification.net/dp96
> Have Fun............Be Happy.
>
> BR
Thanks, and God bless you.
--
Damian J. Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:02:11 -0500 (EST)
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: Dean Welsh
Subject: Re: salvation
On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Dean Welsh wrote:
> Hello-
>
> I came across your email-addresses from a site that was related to the
> Unification Church. If you are a member of this church could you please
> answer my questions below?
Yes, I am a member of the church.
> What does Mr. Moon say is required for one to get eternal life?
He does not speak in the language of eternal life, since we all live
eternally. However, he says that if you believe in Jesus and obey him, you
can enter paradise, as jesus said. But there is a higher realm open now at
the time of the Second Coming, which is to receive the Blessing in
marriage from the Lord and eb\nter the Kingdom of Heaven with your family.
> How does one get saved from this sinful world?
Don't sin, come to experience God's love, be reborn in the love of Christ
and live for the sake of others.
> Does he believe in a literal hell?
Yes. See further in:
http://www.unification.net/ws/theme044.htm
> If so, how do I avoid it?
Follow Christ now that he has returned. See:
http://www.unification.net/teachings.html
> Thanks-
>
> Dean
No problem. :-)
--
Damian J. Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification
Subject: Re: Why do moonies drink Moon's blood ?
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:22:27 -0500
Message-ID: <34587C03.122C@unification.net>
References: <19971029215800.QAA19683@ladder02.news.aol.com>
Rosa maxim wrote:
> Part of the blessing (marriage) performed by Sun Myung Moon
> includes the Holy Wine Ceremony .
>
> It is no secret that the Holy Wine contains Moon's actual
> blood , according to church teachings .
>
> Here are actual quotes from the U.C.'s 40 day workshop
> training in church doctrines :
>
> This is official church doctrine :
>
> Receiving the bud means receiving the flesh and blood of
> True Parents.
Really? Is this like Christians receiving the body and blood of Jesus
Christ in the Eucharist? The early Christian church was accused of the
same thing you are saying. We are not cannibals or vampires.
And shame on you Craig. You ought to know better. Do you have nothing
better to do than to harrass the church to which you formerly belonged?
--
Damian Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
From: Damian J. Anderson
Subject: Re: The Third Adam
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 00:51:08 -0600
Message-ID: <881563376.15554@dejanews.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification
Organization: Family Federation for World Peace
References: <34807FDE.F7D6E10B@psych.ualberta.ca>
In article <34807FDE.F7D6E10B@psych.ualberta.ca>,
Tim Osborne wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am just wondering if someone could tell me whether the Rev. Moon
> and his wife claim to be the Third Adam? I know that it is implied that
> the Rev. Moon is the Third Adam but has he ever actually come out and
> made this claim?
>
> Thanks
He does claim that he is the fulfillment of the prophecy of the return of
Christ, though he phrases this in terms of the fulfillment of the role of
True Parents. Take a look at the following locations:
Proclamation of the Messiah:
http://www.unification.net/pr-mes/
True Family and I:
http://www.unification.net/1995/950625.html
In Search of the Origin of the Universe:
http://www.unification.net/1996/960801.html
True Parents and True Family:
http://www.unification.net/1996/960921.html
True Parents and the Completed Testament Age:
http://www.unification.net/hjh/hjh930701.html
In the latter speech, Dr. Hak Ja Han Moon states that she and her husband
have established the ideal of the True Parents.
Sincerely,
Damian Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
A reply to Widget on Christian Theology
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Widget wrote:
> Regarding vol.1 in your unification over the Internet.
> 1.. I don't which Bible you are reading. My King James Version
> says..." So God created man in his on image, in the image of God
> created he him; male and female created he them." (Genesis 1:27)... A
> total different meaning than your bible. Read Genesis 1:26. King James
> Version says,.... "And God said, let us make man in our image, after
> our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and
> over the fowl of the air, and over every creeping thing that creepth
> upon the earth." Us is the key word in that verse. God the Father
> was talking to Jesus the Son. Are you saying Jesus was not born a man.
There is no evidence that God was talking to Jesus in Gen 1:27. The
expression "let us" is commonly used in English even when one is
talking to oneself. However, some people believe that God was talking
to the angels, others believe as you do. Since the other parties
present are unnamed in the verse in question, it is open to
speculation. If God were to make man in "our" image, referring to God
and Jesus, he would have made humanity as male and male, but he made
them male and female. To me, this suggests that God embodies both
masculinity and femininity in His own being.
> Now let's get the full picture, Genesis 2:7(KJV) "And the Lord God
> formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils
> the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:21 (KJV)
> "And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept:
> and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead therof;"
> Genesis 2:22 (KJV)" And the rib, which the Lord God took from man,
> made he a woman, and brought her unto the man." Genesis 2:23 (KJV) "And
> Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she
> shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man." This shoots
> Sun Myung Moon theory down, Damian... God created a man first then from
> the man he made woman in man's likeness... If you don't believe this a
> count of a man and a woman's ribs will prove this fact. A woman has one
> more than a man.
How quaint! :-) You may be surprised that this is not true. Check a
book on human anatomy. I suggest "Gray's Anatomy".
> 2.. To incarnate; means to be given a body... God incarnated Adam
> from dust not from his spirit. This should prove we are not one and the
> same as God... Don't be ignorant on the teachings of God, for false
> teachers are predicted in the Holy Bible. Jesus was always in Heaven
> before he was born a man on earth. Mary was a virgin. God spirit filled
> Mary with the Lord Jesus. Unto this earth was born perfect man.
Well, I grant you that incarnation means that the spirit takes on
bodily form, since this is what a dictionary would say of the term. But
as for Jesus always being in Heaven before being born as a man, I don't
think that is true. Jesus was born much as any other child, but learned
obedience and grew to perfection through his sufferings as it says in
the book of Hebrews. (Heb 5:7-10) God's ideal of a son like Jesus was
with him since the foundation of the world, but I don't think that
people pre-exist their birth, even Jesus. Jesus was born from a
prepared lineage, and so God as able to bring him sinless into the
world. Sinless and perfect are not the same thing. He grew to
perfection. Adam and Eve were born sinless, but fell into sin, before
reaching perfection.
As for Mary's virginity, she was a virgin BEFORE she conceived Jesus,
just as my mother was a virgin before she conceived my oldest sibling.
Mary was not always a virgin as she went on to have at least four other
sons and some daughters. (Mark 6:3)
> Word into flesh means the prophecy of the Messiah has come true. No
> way can man be perfect in all the aspects of God in the verse Matthew
> 5:48
It is interesting that you should mention that verse since this is a
COMMANDMENT of Jesus, that we should be perfect. And Rev. Moon says
that the person who is free from accusation from Satan can be deemed
perfect by God and man, and even by Satan. When Satan tempted Jesus in
the wilderness, he could not but acknowledge that Jesus had resisted
the temptation. But he was able to attack Jesus through his enemies and
the weaknesses of his own followers.
> Jesus told the crowd to forgive and love your enemies as God has
> forgave you. In that way we must be perfect. For if we don't forgive
> our enemies God will not allow you in Heaven.
I agree.
> Again you don't read all
> that is given to you. you read one line and thank that it tells the
> true meaning. Jesus was God in incarnate, by no means are we perfect
> and all have sinned against God.
You may read in 1 John 3:5-6:
Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and
that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not
sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.
Those who sin do not belong to God.
> You are only in Jesus when you confess
> your sins and ask for forgiveness and acknowledge that Jesus died on
> this earth for your sins. We are not born of God through the womb. We
> are born of God when we are saved through Jesus name. Amen. I don't
> fell there is any need to go any further or even have to go this far to
> see the false teachings of Sun Myung Moon...
Does the person saved by Jesus give birth to children without sin? If
not, then the work of salvation is incomplete. This is the reason for
the second coming of Christ, to make the realm of the creation of life,
namely sexuality, free from sin, so that new life comes into the world
as Adam, Eve or Jesus did, without sin. Without the Blessing of your union
by God, you cannot give birth to children without sin.
> I suggest you really
> evaluate what he says with the word of God. Please don't be shy to
> question his teachings, For God said to do this to every teacher of his
> word.
I have been studying the teachings of Rev. Moon against the scriptures
for 20 years now, and find them much more in accord with scripture than
the narrow fundamentalist Protestant view.
> I judge Sun Myung Moon guilty of sin he must come to the God and
> ask for forgiveness in Jesus's name. or he will burn in Hell with his
> false teachings. And don't dare say I can't Judge you hypocrite. For
> doing so you judge me...
You do wrong to judge him, since you are not authorized to judge him,
any more than the scribes and pharisees were authorized to judge
Jesus. Yet they did, and they paid a supreme price for their myopia.
Let the Lord of Heaven and Earth judge me and you and Rev. Sun Myung
Moon. I am happy to comply with the decision of the Supreme Court of
Heaven!
Sincerely,
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Damian J. Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
Re: World Scripture - Rejected by the World
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Infuriator wrote:
> In article ,
> Damian Anderson wrote:
>
> >REJECTED BY THE WORLD
> >
> > The founders of religion inevitably met resistance, disbelief, and
> >persecution when they attempted to spread their message.
>
> YO!!!
>
> Nobody here cares what you think. And furthermore, your elongated
> posts are nothing more than a waste of precious internet bandwidth.
>
> Yer bible stories are nothing more than twisted morality tales.
>
> Wise up and fly straight.
Sorry to disappoint you Infurator, but MANY people like what I write on
the net, and tell me so, even though you may not like it. If you care
about bandwidth, you may want to work on getting rid of the pornography
on the Internet, rather than the religion discussion. It uses FAR more
Usenet bandwidth. As a former Usenet news administrator, I estimate
that at least 60 per cent of all Usenet news traffic is porno
pictures.
We have a a right to talk about religion, and I will continue to do so
whether you like it or not.
Sincerely,
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Damian J. Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
From damian@unification.net Fri Dec 26 03:25:09 1997
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 03:16:54 -0500
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: George Nimmo
Subject: True God's Day - Answer to George's Question
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification
George Nimmo wrote:
> Which prompts me to ask a question, which you or any other reader can
> answer... is January 1st a significant date in the unification calendar?
>
> Isn't it called God's Day or something? If so, what is its significance?
>
> (I declare an interest here as 1st January is my birthday).
>
> Any and all replies appreciated.
> --
> George Nimmo
Yes, George,
January 1st is a holiday in the Unification calendar, and is called True
God's Day, since we dedicate the first day of the year to God. If you
look on my web page, you will see significant messages by Rev. Moon on
January 1st of each year. He often speaks at midnight, and then again in
the morning, setting the motto and goals for the year. For example, look
at:
http://www.unification.net/1997/970101a.html
True God's Day - January 1, 1997, Brazil
Happy True God's Day 1998, and Happy Birthday in advance.
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Damian Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
From damian@unification.net Fri Dec 26 15:16:10 1997
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:41:06 -0600
From: damian@unification.net
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification
Subject: Re: Moon wants his sexual organ enshrined with gold .
In article <19971222225701.RAA22779@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
rosamaxim@aol.com (Craig Maxim) wrote:
> Another way of interpreting Blessing is gold plating our sexual organs with 18
> karat gold. Ordinary people cannot discern whether it is pure gold or not. Do
> you understand? Because there is no 24 karat gold sexual organ. What about the
> Lord of the Second Advent's sexual organ? Do you think it is a pure 24 karat
> gold sexual organ or a 23.999 karat gold?
>
> (Are you members sure you don't want to declare Moon insane at this point ?)
> (I suppose Moon right now is faithfully checking everyone's ?)
>
> Craig Maxim < rosamaxim@aol.com >
Evidently, Craig, you do not know the meaning of a metaphor, or you mock
Rev. Moon for whatever reason. The point being made is that sexuality is
most sacred and precious and that we must ensure that we keep our sexual
organs for our eternal spouse and no other. Wouldn't Jesus have agreed
with that sentiment?
Do you really think that mockery has any place in the litany of Christian
virtues? It would seem to me that it characterized Jesus' enemies, rather
than himself or his friends.
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Damian Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification
Subject: Do not expect to be told what to think
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 00:28:42 -0500
Message-ID: <34A7350A.27D@unification.net>
References: <67t38a$rf6$1@newsd-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
<19971225182200.NAA16906@ladder02.news.aol.com>
Craig Maxim wrote:
> John Stacey revealing fact after fact after undeniable
> fact ! If I were still a moonie I'd be foaming at the mouth
> and nervous as heck waiting for a central figure to come
> and tell me what to think after being confronted with too
> much reality at the same time .
Craig,
Maybe that's the difference between you and the rest of us. I don't
need anyone to tell me what to think. Rev. Moon inspires people into
action through the power of his ideas and his activity. He moves people
to act based on their conscience. As an example of that, read the sermon
"Find Your True Self" at:
http://www.unification.net/1994/941123.html
He knows very well that people who are conscientious and self-motivated
will do more than any number of people who are just blind followers.
Who can deny that he has influenced more people in his lifetime that
any other founder of a religious movement?
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Damian Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:19:53 -0500
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: Mitchell McKain
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification, talk.religion.misc,
alt.religion.christian, alt.christnet.theology
Subject: Re: BIF: Blessing and Ideal Family
(Posted and Mailed.)
I don't really have much to say. We have an ideal, which is not the
present reality, but a dream in which we have faith. It does not come
about automatically, but only by hard work and perseverance over a long
period of time. Please do not be discouraged when the present reality is
less than perfection. It is like seeing a house under construction, seeing
all the dust and mess, not realizing that the end result will be most
beautiful.
ITPN,
Damian Anderson
On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Mitchell McKain wrote:
> This may be true, I can't deny it. But I find myself in
> some turmoil at this time. The news coverage I have heard of the
> recent blessing here was devastatingly truthful. Rev. Moon claims to
> go beyond mere individual achievement to bring perfection to the
> family level. This has been the foundation of Divine Principle and
> many recent projects of the Unification movement. The news cast
> questioned this claim on the basis of certain facts about True Family.
[Snip]
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Damian J. Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net
From damian@unification.net Wed Dec 31 15:57:22 1997
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:45:38 -0500
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: Mitchell McKain
Cc: Unification Evangelism List
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification, talk.religion.misc,
alt.religion.christian, alt.christnet.theology
Subject: Re: The Dream and the Reality
On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Mitchell McKain wrote:
> Thank you. This helps me a lot. I'm not sure it helps our case in the
> public eye though. You did so well on that question, you inspire me to
> ask another, especially with your familiarity with father's speeches.
> Do you have knowledge of any official statement by Rev. Moon or others
> as to what kind of government is favored in the immediate and long term
> future (Kingdom of Heaven)?
You will see in the Divine Principle in Part 2, Chapter 5, section
3.1.2 on "Abel-Type Democracy":
http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-2-5.html#Sec3_1_2
that the separation of powers between the three branches of government
is seen as a development in accordance with the will of Heaven. The
form of government closest to God's ideal appears to be a democratic
constitutional monarchy with a populace closely attuned to the Will of
God. The functions of the society would be separated analogously to the
functions of the organs in the human body, working harmoniously through
the communication of the central nervous system connected to the
brain. Then, the people of their own free will would enact laws and
policies which are just and good.
Also, through fast communication and travel, needs of one part of the
world would be met quickly, just as air follows the lowest pressure, or
water finds its lowest level. So, money, love and attention to
problems, would follow those most in need, almost by natural law, since
people would be living in accordance to the Divine Will.
For more discussion on many questions concerning Unificationism, you
may want to see my FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) at:
http://www.unification.net/faq
I hope this answers your question.
Sincerely,
ITPN,
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Damian J. Anderson damian@unification.net http://www.unification.net