Responses to Questions on
Unificationism on the Internet - Volume 37
Sep 20 1996
Subject: Re: STEVE HASSAN: Response to Mind Control Debate
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On 18 Sep 1996 11:28:20 -0400 EdPoor (edpoor@aol.com) wrote:
> In article <51fgoa$h2@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, gemmamp1@aol.com (GEMMAMP1)
> writes:
> > In a mind control situation, the subject
> >initially views these influence agents as positive: "friends";
> >"teachers"; or benevolent . At the very least, benign.
> >
> >Therefore, the mind control situation is more powerful psychodynamically
> >because the subject cooperates, collaborates and is actively involved in
> >the mind control process- helping the controllers to more effectively
> >manipulate his/her experience.
> Well, my case is a little different. I joined in August 1977, just after
> the peak of hostile rumors about the Unification Church.
Hey, Ed, I joined the UC in that same month, but in Paris, France.
> I went to a 3-day workshop in Hollis, New Hampshire with eyes open. I was
> open-mindedly investigated whether or not this was a good church.
> The result was mixed. I decided the teachings were good, but the people
> were too hard to take. So I moved out (partly at the church leader's
> request, anyway).
Yes, that is the trouble with idealistic teachings. They are so darned
hard to live up to.
> Now I still find the people hard to take, but I'm dealing with it better.
> Actually, I find non-Unificationists a little hard to take, too.
On the balance, I prefer Unificationists any time.
> Here's a possible "scientific" explanation: Maybe it's possible for a good
> religion to attract people who try too hard to be expedient. You know, the
> temptation to bamboozle in the name of good cause, go for the quick
> success, instead of thinking about everyone's long-term benefit.
> In spite of the short-sightedness displayed by those who gave me my intial
> experience, I have decided to forgive them (for they knew not what they
> did).
I find the Unification movement is making progress despite its MANY
mistakes, because its cause is just and in line with God's desire.
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Sep 20 1996
Subject: Re: View on abortion
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On 18 Sep 1996 11:29:44 -0400 EdPoor (edpoor@aol.com) wrote:
> According to the Unification viewpoint, love and life are incredibly
> precious and to be valued above all else. God personally attends the
> creation of new life. The relationship of love between the parents and
> child is part of the law of the cosmos.
[snip]
Thanks you Ed for your explanation of the Unification view of abortion.
However, I have NEVER heard Rev. Moon speak about this, although it is
mentioned in the Tradition book, which he did not write.
I would have deep reservations about ever suggesting that a woman have
an abortion as I consider life to be so sacred. My wife had three
miscarriages easrly in our married life and I grieved deeply over them.
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Sep 20 1996
Subject: Re: Sex education
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On 17 Sep 1996 00:52:06 GMT KRD wrote:
> Hi, Damian.
> When my son was 10 (a bit over a decade ago), he asked me in all
> seriousness what was it *really* that homosexuals did. I've got a feeling
> that since he wasn't as rowdy as the other boys his age, they may have
> called him a "homo." So I explained it to him in explicit, clinical
> language.
> Yep, he was thoroughly grossed out -- as he naturally should have been. He
> was never curious about it afterward. I've gotten the feeling that it's
> important to do exactly what God instructed the Israelites. Tell them the
> whole truth when they're young, before they decide they're smarter than you
> are, before they've become indoctrinated by someone else.
> KRD
I agree. This has been my policy of sex education towards my children.
They know about sex, as much as they can understand, and I make sure
that I teach them the values that I am uphold, and innoculate them from
the bombardment with the indoctrination from school, peers and TV which
will surely come. They are now 10, 8, 6 and 3.
I teach them that sex is an expression of love between a man and a woman
who are committed to eternal love for one another, and that this is the
standard that pleases God. Anything else belongs to hell. In the speech
of Rev. Moon that I just posted this morning, he says that the dividing
line between heaven and hell is your sexual organ. The way you use
sexuality determines whether you belong to God or Satan.
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Sep 20 1996
Subject: Re: Sex education
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 01:31:03 +0100 David Byrden (Goyra@iol.ie) wrote:
> Damian J. Anderson wrote:
> > I was speaking just yesterday to someone who attended the Washington DC
> > convention of the Christian Coalition at which her husband spoke. They
> > are VERY concerned about the filth that is being taught to children in
> > the guise of sex education, such as explicit instruction to 8 year olds
> > on how homos have sex. One child who attended this sex ed class came
> > home and threw up after hearing about it. This is clearly unacceptable
> > in my view. Children should not be force fed the propaganda of the
> > homosexual lobby, or the free sex crowd either.
> Why do you apply to term "propaganda" to what was merely an
> "explicit instruction" about how they do it? In the history class, if
> the teacher explicitly tells you what the Nazis did, is he disseminating
> Nazi propaganda? Do you know what propaganda actually is? Do you own a
> dictionary?
I have many dictionaries. Propaganda fide - propagation of the faith.
The homosexual lobby clearly have an agenda to propagate their lifestyle
and ideology. However, they are fighting a losing battle since their
way of life produces no new life, it causes death by a variety of
diseases, and is abhorrent to the sensibilties of decent people. Sex
education in schools is not merely informative, it excites the prurient
interest in kids and encourages early sexual activity. That is PROMOTING
THE AGENDA of those who believe that promsicuous sex is okay provided
you use a condom. I totally reject that philosophy. That kind of
instruction is directly counter to my wishes and I don't want my kids
exposed to it. If the schools have that kind of program when my kids
enter high school, I shall find alternative ways to educate them.
> > This constitutes the
> > very worst kind of indoctrination.
> Telling children ANYTHING which is not the plain demonstrable truth,
> is indoctrination - so let's halt Sunday School.
Sunday School is one place where truth IS taught, at least the truth
that matters as regards how one should live one's life.
> > The radical left, under the banner
> > of the National Education Association have instituted Godless sex into
> > the schools, while banning religion.
> Are you claiming that [a] they are HAVING godless sex in school,
> or [b] PREACHING godless sex in school? Your grasp of English seems to
> be loose.
Take a wild guess! Condoms are being distributed in schools in America.
Is that so that the kids can practice abstinence? Are they being encouraged
to prepare themselves for lifelong marriage? Are they being taught the
importance of deferral of gratification until maturity? Are they being
taught about God? The schools in America show that Americans have
forgotten God, and IT SHOWS. The number of social deviancies attributable
to promiscuity and family breakdown are legion. We are reaping what we
have sown.
> But as for godless sex; let's get one thing straight. God cannot be
> shown to exist, while sex definitely does exist. The two don't belong
> in the same lesson.
Taken to absurdity, YOU cannot be shown to exist either. So what? Does
love exist? How do you know? Can you see it? Does life exist? You can't
see that either. Does honor, nobility, valor exist? Of course they do,
but the things of the hightest value are not discernable to those with
a crude sensibility. God exists too, and just because you cannot perceive
Him does not make it any less true. Jesus said "Blessed are the pure in
heart, they shall see God."
> In any case, what IS godless sex? What kind of sex do Jews and Muslims
> have? I really would like your opinion.
Any sex outside an eternally committed marriage of love between a man
and a woman is abhorrent in the sight of God. The standard speaks for
itself and crosses all denominational boundaries.
> David
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Sep 21 1996
Subject: Re: cybermoonie
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On 21 Sep 1996 15:38:15 -0400 HRobin153 (hrobin153@aol.com) wrote:
> >paula, you are also a pioneer. you are (as far as i know)
> >the first cybermoonie! may God bless you (and your son) as
> >you wiggle your fingers for the providence!
> i know that there is a great deal of controversy over the
> use of the term 'moonie'; i thought long and hard before
> posting the term 'cybermoonie'; but like any ethnic slur
> only members of the ethnic group can use the slur without
> recrimination. so tilman, dennis, et al if you want to use
> the term 'moonie' you should become one. (maybe
> subconsciously you-all want to join--the spirit is willing
> but the flesh is weak--so you use the term as often as you
> can??)
If you mean by "cybermoonie", someone who has become a Unification
Church member through the Internet, I have to inform you that she is
not the first. She is one of 9 this year so far, and not the first,
though one of the best! :-)
The first ones were a student in Idaho and a professor in Prague in the
Czech republic who is as we speak working on a Czech language web page
for me. I don't know which one was first, though I knew of the Idahoan
first. This work is continuing to grow and I am pleased about it.
ITPN,
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Sep 25 1996
From damian@unification.net Wed Sep 25 20:52:29 1996
Reply-To: damian@cais.cais.com
To: SF
Subject: Re: hi damian.. i have a question
On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, SF wrote:
> hi damian
>
> this is SF, i have a question regarding some literature i have read
> about people who have claimed to be part of your movement at one time and
> are saying that they were brainwashed into believing that everything you
> claim is true. i have read extensive information on the topic of
> brainwashing and it seems as though this actually might be the case... i
> was wondering if you feel that you lure people into this movement by some
> form of brainwashig or do you believe that all who have joined have
> joined of their own free will. they also claim that you display cult
> like symptoms and i was wondering if you consider your self a cult??
>
> please reply
> SF
Dear SF,
The claim of brainwashing is altogether absurd. People who go to
college and have to learn things, working long hours studying. Is that
brainwashing? Young men join the army and go to boot camp, and are
harangued and bullied into shape. Is that brainwashing? The Unification
Church is a religious movement and it gains its members the old fashioned
way, by love and persuasion. Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda of
some kind.
And no, I don't regard myself as belonging to a cult. That term is only
used as a term of derision to a small powerless group of people. And what,
pray tell, are cult-like symptoms? Is being an adherent of certain
religions now regarded as a disease?
Do you have any serious questions?
Sincerely,
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Sep 29 1996
Subject: Re: Justice Department Report
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 22:57:50 -0400 Dennis Smith (dsmith1@worldnet.att.net)
wrote:
> Ed:
> Did you ever find that Justice Department Report that looked into
> the conversion methods of the Unification Church? The one that
> supposedly said the conversion methods used by the church are
> not materially different from those used by other churches.
> D.Smith
I don't know that such a report exists, but so what? It is not the
government's business to be investigating how churches carry on their
affairs, so long as they keep within the law. To my knowledge, apart
from the hysterical ranting of anti-cult people and the occasional slam
from the Washington Post and its ideological clones, I don't hear much
talk about the Unification Church in public life at all. There is every
reason to leave well enough alone and allow people to practice the
religion of their choice wthout government interference, as guaranteed
by the US Constitution. It is too bad that other countries do not have
similar freedoms.
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Sep 29 1996
Subject: Re: Justice Department Report
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On Sun, 29 Sep 1996 15:46:25 -0400 Dennis Smith (dsmith1@worldnet.att.net)
wrote:
> Damian J. Anderson wrote:
> > > Did you ever find that Justice Department Report that looked into
> > > the conversion methods of the Unification Church? The one that
> > > supposedly said the conversion methods used by the church are
> > > not materially different from those used by other churches.
> >
> > > D.Smith
> >
> > I don't know that such a report exists, but so what?
> This is an interesting response. Ed Poor made reference to such a
> report stating that the Justice Department had investigated the
> Unification Church's conversion methods and determined they are
> not materially different from those used by other churches. Ed
> included this information so people would believe the Unification
> Church is just like any other church. Since the Unification Church
> is a criminal organization and is not like other churches this is
> an important document. I think it is important to explore
> statements like this.
> If I said a Justice Department report found that Convicted
> Felon Sun Myung Moon was a child molester would you say so what?
> Would you let the statement go unchallenged or would you ask
> for more information to validate my claim?
What a lot of baloney. No crime has been committed in regard to recruiting
members, so why all the fuss? Crimes of kidnapping, beatings, robbery
and even murder have been committed AGAINST our members by our opponents.
This is just yet another attempt to defame the Unification Church. Our
justice system is based on a presumption of innocence, thank God not a
presumption of guilt, which is the tone of ALL your rhetoric.
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Sep 30 1996
Subject: Homosexuality -
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On 29 Sep 1996 21:44:23 -0500 Eric B Richardson (richa011@maroon.tc.umn.edu)
wrote:
> Dave writes:
> >I am somewhat puzzled by the UC's viewpoint on homosexuality, can
> >anyone define their opinions on this subject. I hear UC members
> >calling people bigots (i.e. Lazlo Weress), but I also hear
> >other statements that suggest you have a bigoted attitude towards
> >homosexuals.
> What you mean to say is that because Unificationists don't condone
> homosexuality as morally equivalent, then you are choosing to call that
> bigotry. One does not have to believe that homosexuality is a good thing,
> or a moral thing, in order to be tolerant. But then you really don't
> understand the meaning of tolerance apparently.
Jesus was pretty clear on the matter:
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell
you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed
adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin,
gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part
of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if
your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is
better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body
to go into hell. MAT 5:27-30
Better to go from this life without a penis, than to defile your body
with a man or a woman. Sex is God's gift of the consummation of true
love with one eternal partner, one man with one woman. Anything else is
falling short of God's ideal and expectations. The family is the God-given
institution by which love is nurtured, life is created, and God's lineage
is to be perpetuated. Homosexuality is a bizarre aberration of the ideal
of love and should be condemned in the STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS. This
sin is worse than murder.
Those who have ears to hear, let them hear.
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Oct 2 1996
Subject: Re: Homosexuality -
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On Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:39:37 GMT Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de)
wrote:
> In , "Damian J.
> Anderson" wrote:
> >Better to go from this life without a penis, than to defile your body
> >with a man or a woman. Sex is God's gift of the consummation of true
> >love with one eternal partner, one man with one woman. Anything else is
> >falling short of God's ideal and expectations. The family is the God-given
> >institution by which love is nurtured, life is created, and God's lineage
> >is to be perpetuated. Homosexuality is a bizarre aberration of the ideal
> >of love and should be condemned in the STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS. This
> >sin is worse than murder.
> I notice that homosexuality is the only topic where you really get nuts
> and start to rant and show your bigotery, Damian. Are you unsure about
> your own sexuality or what ?
> Tilman
> (hetero)
Okay, then let's make it a little clearer. All sex outside of the eternal
marriage of a man and a woman blessed by God is a sin in direct violation
of the order ordained by God. That includes male homosexuals, female
homosexuals, promiscuous heterosexuals, people having sex with children,
people having sex with animals, all have earned their place in the
eternal hellfire. Even by giving their life, they cannot pay the
price for such sin. That is why we need the Messiah.
I do not condemn any one individual. I merely proclaim what is God's
standard. People judge themselves against the standard and either measure
up or fall short. I do not judge them.
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Oct 2 1996
Subject: Re: DP: Israel under Judges / Christendom under Patriarchs
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On Tue, 01 Oct 1996 20:46:29 -0400 Kevin Davidson (kwdavids@calweb.com) wrote:
> Damian J. Anderson wrote:
> Hey Damian. Who should my attourney contact about the postings on the
> Unification web site
> which contains, without my permission, usenet articles I wrote.
> --
> Kevin Davidson (kwdavids@calweb.com)
Send e-mail to devil@hell.org and ask for legal advice. He has plenty
of lawyers.
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Oct 2 1996
Subject: Re: World Scripture - Forgive so you will be forgiven!
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On Thu, 03 Oct 1996 00:08:45 GMT Joseph M. Emmanuel
(maitreya@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:42:48 -0400, "Damian J. Anderson"
> wrote:
> A more complete teaching is: Forgive those who do bad to you (Love your
> enemy), but not those who do bad to society (their action effects society).
> If someone dis something bad to you, forgive them (if they asked for your
> coat give them your shirt as well...). However, do not forgive those who's
> actions effect the whole society. These are those who create mischief on
> earth.
Jesus did not just teach forgiveness of the individual. He asked God
to forgive those who killed him. That was the whole nation. The reason
that he taught us to forgive is not so that we can be forgiven, although
that is a prerequisite for our forgiveness, but it is so that the evil
doer can repent.
> This explanation Reveals the different between the Teaching of Christ and
> Prophet Muhammed. Christ was talking about individual who will forgive
> others, so God will forgive him. Muhammed was talking about those who do
> mischief on earth, those who's actions bring inequity in society, destroys
> people's lives, etc.
> Therefore both were right. A tooth for a tooth, so society will be saved.
> Forgive your enemy so you will be forgiven. An individual decision about
> another person who has done wrong.
Satan is the ultimate evil doer, yet we have to love those who are evil
in order that their conscience can be aroused and they can return to
God. This is the rationale behind loving our enemies.
> -Joseph (maitreya@worldnet.att.net)
> One God, One World, One Humanity
> Unity Of All Under One God
> For more information send me an email
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On 30 Sep 1996 21:34:25 -0400 FAYIN (fayin@aol.com) wrote:
> Worse than murder? Come on, you can't really believe that!
Absolutely I do. Adultery, homosexuality, lesbianism, promiscuous and
uncommitted heterosexual sex, are violations of God's divine gift of
sexual love which is sacred and more precious than life itself. Sexual
love precedes life and causes life to come into being. The violation of
sexual love is a greater sin than the violation of life.
> Then all 'adultery' should be classified the same way, because nowhere
> in the Bible does it state one is worse than the other.
Yes, absolutely, adultery should be classified the same way. And the
penalty for the crimes of adultery, murder and sodomy in the Old Testament
was death. Today, adultery is punishable by a $10 fine where I live in
Maryland, if it is even enforced. The same with sodomy. That is one
reason why our society is so critically spiritually ill, because it does
not understand the value of pure sexual love and the God-centered two
opposite sex (!) parent family. We have all manner of social ills
resulting from the breakdown of the family, or children being born where
no family exists at all. It is the birthright of every child to be given
the love of a mother AND a father, and of brothers and sisters. To deny
the child that is worse than to deny them life. That child will grow up
spiritually crippled, and is a prime candidate for becomeing a delinquent,
a criminal, and a replica of its evil parents. You should be absolutely
ashamed of yourselves for defending the evils of promiscuity and
homosexuality.
> So you are saying that you would rather hear that your son or daughter
> was a serial killer than hear he or she had a homosexual relationship.
> Or even that they were better off as a killer than that they had slept
> around prior to marriage. Use your powers of reason, this can not be
> so.
I am not saying that being a murderer is just fine. It is also a grievous
crime. But when the people of a nation pollute their bodies with illicit
sex, whether homo or hetero, God will vomit such a nation from the face
of the Earth, so great is His disgust for such a lifestyle.
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Oct 3 1996
Subject: Re: unification church :christian or cult
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification, talk.religion.misc,
alt.religion.christian, alt.christnet.theology
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On 11 Aug 1996 04:12:07 GMT Fr. John W. Morris (jrjohn@cannet.com) wrote:
> Paula wrote in article <320D10F4.5436@execpc.com>...
>> May I suggest you read http://www.unification.net/gww/gww-17.html
>> to find out how the unification church fulfills the purpose of
>> Christianity and all religion. Unificationists do indeed believe
>> in being born again and do recognize Jesus as Savior and provider
>> of spiritual salvation.
> Fr. John W. Morris responds:
> I am fully aware of the teachings of the Unification Church. Years ago,
> when they were seeking recognition from recognized Christian Churches, the
> sent me a great deal of literature including writings by Moon. I read the
> literature carefully and concluded that there was no way that I could
> recognize this group as a Christian body. I have no doubt that anyone else
> with any understanding of traditional Christianity would agree with my
> evaluation of Moon and his followers.
I wonder how the pharisees would have judged Jesus' teachings if he had
submitted his articles of faith to them. Would they not have said that
he did not teach orthodox Judaism? Did that make him wrong? Food for
thought. :-)
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