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Responses to Questions on
Unificationism on the Internet - Volume 35
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:14:28 -0400
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: "Dennis C. Kelvie"
Cc: Unification Texts
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification, talk.religion.misc,
alt.religion.christian, alt.christnet.theology
Subject: Re: TRMES: Becoming True Children
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Dennis C. Kelvie wrote:
> Hello Damian,
>
> On Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:08:01 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
> > THE TRIBAL MESSIAH
> > REVEREND SUN MYUNG MOON
> >
> > Chapter 3
> > The Essential Restoration
>
> I still don't understand why you bother to post this junk. It is not
> Christian; it is not from Jesus Christ. It is the dillusionary junk
> of Sun Moon, a convicted felon, a liar, and a man who has absolutely
> no concept of what the Bible teaches.
>
> Why bother to post his junk?
>
> in Christ Jesus,
> dennis
Hey Dennis,
You catch a lot more flies with honey than with vinegar. If you want to
convince me of something, the least you can do is to refrain from being
insulting. You may say that it is not Christian because it does not
conform to what conventional Christianity teaches, but look at the world
we live in. Contemporary Christianity in the developed world has produced
such results. The failings of contemporary Christian interpretations are
so obvious as to be painful. So, it is nothing to boast about to be a
mainline Christian. It is a disgrace that the practices of Christianity
have allowed the world to decay into moral confusion, sexual profligacy,
family breakdown, and a denial of God and virtue.
What Rev. Sun Myung Moon teaches and practices is far superior to anything
I see coming from the mainstream of Christianity. So maybe, God is not
with the mainstream, but is with us heretics! :-)
Sincerely, In True Parents' Names,
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From damian@unification.net Mon Aug 19 22:37:06 1996
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:09:23 -0400
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: Unification Evangelism List
Cc: Unification Texts
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification, talk.religion.misc,
alt.religion.christian, alt.christnet.theology
Subject: UNews: French National Assembly report on Sects
Hello everyone,
I was browsing on the web today and I came across a report from the French
National Assembly on Sects. The URL is:
http://www.assemblee-nat.fr/SECTES.16706.WELCOME.1.0.3
In America, we would find this shocking, that religions can be criticized
and attcked like this, but then, it did happen here. I hope the climate
has changed here since the 1970s. I think it has. Anyway, the French
government are blatantly opposing new religious movements. This just goes
to show how entrenched the power of evil is. Sorry, Jean-Philippe. You
must have first hand experience of their treachery.
And, by the way, it is in French. :-)
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:19:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: Unification Church Internet Evangelism mailing list
Subject: Re: Father's words on CD for IBM based computers
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, John & Joy Pople wrote:
> Re communication between Damian and DJ Brewer:
>
>
> I've had some experience editing Father's speeches for Today's World. They
> have to undergo a final review by legal eagles before publication. That may
> water down some of the most interesting parts. Otherwise, I could post them
> for you at the same time I send them back to the editor.
>
> However, there are many factors to consider.
>
> Frankly, Father's translators speak something resembling pidgin English at
> times, and thus the translations have to be translated into standard
> English. Standard English, for example, requires basic sentence structures
> of subject, verb, and complement, and their various permutations. Basic
> grammatical markers can be missing.
Yes, Joy, once I attempted to transcribe one of Father's speeches from a
tape and it was then that I realized how poor was the English of the
translators. I often wondered how I had such difficulty understanding
Father's words! :-) The translations of the old speeches are far better,
because Father was speaking in freely flowing Korean, and then the
translator could take his time consulting tape and transcript and
consulting with native English speakers to get the best nuances of the
words. So, the words from the 1950s translations are much more forceful as
much richer English is used. When the Korean translators say that certain
ideas cannot be expressed in English, I wonder whether what they are
really saying is that THEY cannot express them in English. Hence, all the
more reason for us to learn Korean well enough to translate for Father.
> It's not easy doing consecutive translation. I've tried translating the
> English of Korean leaders into Spanish in the consecutive style of
> translation what Father uses. The various mental processes are complex. I
> greatly Alejandro who translates for Father into Portuguese and Spanish.
> After all these decades, we should have had a comparable person, a native
> English-speaker, to translate for Father. (By the way, there is a two-year
> training course for professional, UN-quality simultaneous translators. A
> pre-requisite for entering such training is full command of both
> languages.)
>
> Before something gets to Today's World, the audio tapes of Father's
> speeches have to be transcribed. The transcribers listen to passages over
> and over, trying to discern what words are being used. If Father is
> speaking English, it's almost all guesswork.
I must say that when Father speaks in English, it is even harder to follow
him than when he speaks Korean and we have a translation.
> Between two periods, is there a subject, object and completement? If not,
> can one be deduced? If the subject is singular and the verb is plural,
> which meaning is intended? What verb tense is meant? What are the
> antecedents of pronouns? When contradictory pronouns are being used, which
> one is to be preferred? Is the idea best expressed with active voice or
> passive voice? Is Father speaking of actualities or conditionalities? This
> is only the initial scrutiny each sentence undergoes.
>
> Translators and editors of the speeches from the 1950's worked from
> transcripts of Father speaking in Korean. Thus they had certain advantages.
> Thus I assume that Father sounds more interesting in Korean than he does
> through English translation. However, some of the questions I have to
> consider arise because Korean grammar does not use the same elements
> required by English grammar, and any translator or editor would have to
> interpolate these elements.
>
> It is good oriental style to repeat the initial clause of a sentence at the
> end, for it is good oriental style. This was evident in early translations
> of the Principle into English, especially in Part II. It can be annoying
> to Western readers.
I fully sympathize. :-)
> Father's translators use a fairly limited vocabulary. I think his speeches
> would be more gripping if vivid verbs were used. However, if I replace
> some of the overused simple verbs with more dynamic verbs, the people who
> were present at the speech would have an even harder time recognizing the
> published version.
>
> A further complication is that transcripts of Father's recent speeches can
> run as high as 120K. That's an awful lot of pages in Today's World. A long
> speech does not necessarily cover more material than a shorter speech; tt
> just takes Father longer to say it. Rather than eliminating ideas, I try
> to delete repetitions.
The advantage of the net is that I can be as verbose as I want, and if
people don't want to read it, they hit the delete key. But for those
hungry for the Word, the supply is almost limitless.
> Consider the following excerpt of a transcription:
>
> tree takes place. Only through that you can your individual, your family,
> your nation and your world. Therefore it is a universal formula that
> centering on love parents and children and husband and wife, brothers and
> brothers and sisters and sister they all have to become absolutely one in
> your family, then only then God will come down to your family level and
> dwell in your family, with your family.>
>
> This is a comparatively readable transcription. How would you make this
> into standard English?
>
> Joy
I'll pass. And thanks for a lot of effort in developing and maintaining
the Today's World magazine.
ITPN,
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:35:32 -0400
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: Unification Evangelism List
Cc: Unification Texts
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification, talk.religion.misc,
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Subject: Re: Report of French National Assembly
On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Alf Mønnesland wrote:
> I was in France this summer and discovered that the French society is in a
> profound moral and spiritual crisis. It is pathethic to read the report of
> the French national assembly on the sects when you see what is going on in
> the French society. This country which once fought for freedom and human
> rights has completely lost its moral foundation. I could see incredible
> things going on in this nation. God must be so sad.
I joined the church in France, so I have some feel for how the
country is. I was in Britain in July, last month, and the atmosphere
is much the same there. They also denied Father entrance into the
country, yet they are falling apart from moral and spiritual decay.
The recent murder of a 2 year-old child by 10 year-old children is
a sign of this decay. Also, the attitude I saw in the print media
in Britain was that marriage is merely an irrelevant piece of paper,
and why such a fuss about gays? They are on a very slippery slope
into the abyss of social chaos.
> Maybe American (and European) members in this way can realise that there is
> some difference between the USA and Europe. It is not so strange that Father
> calls America Gods chosen nation and has sacrificed so much to save the USA.
> America is so blessed by God.
>
> I expect more garbage to come out of France, but probably the French
> authorities are so confused that all their efforts to stop the "sects" will
> end in a great chaos. Those in doubt can read the report of the French
> national assembly.
>
> ITN
> Alf M
America appears to be on a moral upswing, with a strongly revived
interest in religion. As an example, I heard that there are something
like 50 books in print right now on the subject of angels. While
America has its many failings, it is still God's last best hope in
my view. And, the Internet appears to be having a lot to do with
changing the character of religion in America, allowing the rank
and file to communicate with one another and bypass the corrupt
church leadership. I was not referring to our church, but the same
dynamic is in place in our church. Things that were once secret
and not reported by the leaders are now being reported worldwide
by participants in events. Father has long complained about his
instructions being watered down and distorted as they filter down
to the members. On December 19, 1990, Father said the following:
Prepare the following notes of instruction. You have to
share this message with those who are not here with a video tape
recording. This is a conference, not just a sermon. For a conference,
Father always asks for city and state leaders to come. This is the
first time Father asked everybody to come, all the blessed members.
Father would like to create a new kind of organization,
not a pyramid type with a top command echelon and so many other
levels that by the time the bottom is reached, half of the message
is lost. Father would like to have a direct hot line for his
instructions to each member. Each individual must consider that he
represents not only himself, but his family, county, state, nation,
and heaven and earth and is directly responsible to God.
This collaborative Internet ministry is fulfilling this request of Father's.
ITPN,
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: Unification Evangelism List
Subject: Re: Am I a Unificationist or a Baha'i?
Hello, this is a message from a Baha'i brother, Ali who heard about
the church from the Internet and now wants to join along with his
wife and attend the Blesssing. He has many questions about the
Unification faith, and he suggested that I pass them on to the
Unif-Evangelism list, to which he subscribes. I am more than happy
to pass on this task. Please answer his questions and I will forward
the responses to Usenet for the public to read, removing personal
details if necessary for the public version. His is one of the
three couples who asked about the Blessing last week online. For
Ali, I may say that Rev. Moon encourages us all to teach. It is
in answering tough questions that we come to deepen our own faith
and are forced into prayer to seek answers. It is a useful and
productive exercise for us all.
On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 Ali wrote:
> Hi, I know you've been busy so I'm just "checking in".
> Please feel free to forward my e-mail to other
> Unificationsists who may be able to answer my questions
> about the DP, joining the Unification Church, etc. OR we
> could make it part of your Univ-Evangelism list (I am on it).
> That way many people could potentially participate.
Okay, here it is! :-)
> I was also able to contact the HSA-UWC head office/house
> in ____________. They are arranging a DP seminar and will
> let me know when it is. Their e-mail address is
> ________________. They are a little hard to get hold of.
> Must be working all of the time... I talked to ________ there.
I don't know her, but maybe someone else on the list will.
> What books should I get to really grasp the belief system and
> religious practices of Unificationism? I already have the Exposition
> of the Divine Principle (although I think I will order a bible-bound
> or hard-bound copy) and World Scripture. What would you consider
> essential for someone who likes to study these things relatively
> in depth in the area of spiritual practices and teachings? Where
> could I purchase/obtain these books?
A very good book for you to read would be "Blessing and Ideal Family"
which is available online also at:
http://www.unification.net/bif
Another good book is "Tribal Messiah" which discusses how each of us needs
to inherit the Messianic mission at whatever level we can assume it, at a
family leve, tribal level, national level, worldwide level, and so on.
This is also online at:
http://www.unification.net/trmes
It is not yet quite complete, but the last two chapters, 5 and 6 are in
the process of being put online now.
As for traditions, "The Tradition" is a fairly good book. That is at:
http://www.unification.net/tradition
In addition, it is a very good idea to read Rev. Moon's speeches. You can
order a subscription from HSA Publications. In fact, I have the books of
Rev. Moon's speeches from 1977 to today in English. I think I paid about
$600 for the set. He encourages us to learn Korean and study in the
original language, but to date, relatively few have done that. I plan to
start Korean lessons myself this fall. There are over 200 volumes of Rev.
Moon's teachings available in Korean. If you want to be a serious student
of his teachings, you need to study them in the original language, and at
the first opportunity, get to hear him speak in person. That has happened
pretty frequently recently.
You will find that I have included on the Unification Home Page the
teachings that i considered the highest priority, so if you look at:
http://www.unification.net/teachings.html
you will find Unification teachings roughly in order of how I think they
should be presented, starting from introductions and going on to Rev.
Moon's sermons. I highly recommend the early speeches which have been
recently translated at a much better standard than the impromptu
transaltions that are given when he speaks.
I will forward your list of questions to the list, or you can.
> Hope to hear from you.
>
> Ciao!
>
> Ali
By the way, you may often see "ITPN" in Unificationists' communications.
It means "In True Parents' Names" which indicates that what we say or do
is done in the name of True Parents who themselves act in the name of God.
Sincerely,
ITPN,
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:16:10 -0400
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: Unification Texts
Cc: Unification Evangelism List
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification, talk.religion.misc,
alt.religion.christian
Subject: Evangelism on newsgroups and mailing lists
> Damian J. Anderson wrote:
>
> > Sorry, what I meant was that Jean-Philippe had translated the form to
> > subscribe to the mailing lists into French. Maybe you could translate the
> > form into Russian and put it on your page. However, those who need the
> > form translated would not do well reading Father's words in English
> > anyway. If you want to copy the form at
> >
> > http://www.unification.net/forms/subscribe.html
> >
> > then go ahead.
>
> Dear Damian,
>
> I am thinking of reaching people on the internet from my initiation
> (I mean news groups and subscription) but I am not catched yet what
> doe's
> it mean (news groups and subscription mailings) and how it works. Also,
> before, I asked my administrator how I can get news and he said that
> here we do not have news servers yet and server masters just thinking
> about that.
>
> Sorry, but I am always dummi on first step.
>
> ITPN, Alexey
It may be good for me to explain this to the whole group as many
could benefit. The subscription mailings Jean-Philippe was talking
about is just like this mailing list. I have the three mailing
lists:
World Scripture * Daily readings from an anthology of sacred texts.
Unification-Texts * Daily readings from Unification Church teachings.
Unif-Evangelism * Unification Church Internet Evangelism mailing list.
I have the first two configured so that only I can write to them, but
anyone who is subscribed can write to the Unif-Evangelism list. What this
means is that a large community of people can stay in touch with one
another by sending messages back and forth that everyone on the list can
read.
Now, newsgroups are different. There are currently on my server about
20,000 news groups. The groups that I post on daily are:
alt.religion.unification
talk.religion.misc
alt.religion.christian
alt.christnet.theology
for the Unification Texts list materials and
alt.religion.unification
talk.religion.misc
alt.religion.christian
alt.religion.islam
for the World Scripture list.
To get access to newsgroups, you need a news server. Netscape can
read news if you have a feed, and there are some free feeds, but
usually, it is a service offered by your Internet service provider.
In this case, any one anywhere in the world who is subscribed to
the newsgroup can read the material. If it is unmoderated, anyone
can write also. If it is moderated, the posting has to be cleared
by a moderator. The material that you post is propagated around
the world, so that what I write can be read by as many as 50 million
people daily, or however many there are now on the net. In fact,
I heard estimates that 10 per cent of the Usenet readers read some
kind of religion newsgroup daily, so it is quite possible that I
have a daily audience of 5 million.
It is quite possible that a large proportion skip many posts, but
there is still a very large potential audience. That is why I have
consistently posted information daily to the newsgroups, to keep
Father's name in the public eye, and the material is from Father's
own words, rather than the venom being printed by the media. There
is only so much garbage they can print. But I have an awful lot of
Father's words which I can post.
So, I do not want to post in a language I cannot speak. Although
I could post, I would be unable to make an intelligent reply. But
YOU could post to the newsgroups in Russian, daily, and then reply
to the interesting and challenging questions and comments that come
up. One newsgroup you might want to try is soc.culture.russian. I
don't know if there is a Russian language religion newsgroup. If
there is not, I could create one for you. Newsgroups in the "alt.*"
hierarchy are easy to make and nobody will stop you. However, on
some other hierarchies, there are much stricter rules as to what
can and cannot be created. In many cases, you would need to have
a call for votes to decide on whether to create a group. In many
places, that would be like asking if you could sell pork in a
mosque. Don't bother. I could create alt.religion.russian or
something like that.
I hope this clears up a few questions. :-)
ITPN,
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Aug 21 1996
Subject: Re: Thousands of cults around the world
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology, alt.religion.unification,
talk.religion.misc, alt.religion.christian, alt.support.ex-cult
References: <4vdlgj$cge@basement.replay.com>
On 21 Aug 1996 02:33:23 +0200 Anonymous (nobody@REPLAY.COM) wrote:
> Thousands of cults around the world
> PA News
> 19 August 1996
> By Charles Miller, Defence and Diplomatic Correspondent PA News
> US politicians have called for a report on the leading cults, many
> of which are considered a threat to families because of aggressive
> recruiting campaigns which encourage kidnapping and indoctrinating
> recruits.
> A Cult Awareness Network has been created to counter these
> practices and help parents to retrieve and "detoxify" their alienated
> children.
> Among the most powerful of the cults is the Unification Church, or
> the Moonies.
This is an interesting twisting of the facts. The so-called anti-cult
organization, the Cult Awareness Network, are the ones who advocate
and practice kidnapping and forced indoctrination, yet that is
exactly what they accuse the so-called cults of doing. There is
evidence of CAN doing it, and convictions of its associates to
prove it. Indeed, CAN went bankrupt over precisely this issue,
because of a court judgement. There has been no case to my knowledge
where the Unification Church or any other new religion was found
guilty of this practice. In other words, the report of Mr. Charles
Miller is just another lie of an irresponsible journalist who does
not like religions that are in any way effective. The feel-good
do-nothing sissified churches are fine with the anti-cult movement
however.
--
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Sep 6, 1996
References:
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<32228ED8.1A0@ix.netcom.com> <32248cee.3732977@news.snafu.de>
<3224DB9D.39E8@unitel.co.kr> <503ftq$dg0@unlisys.unlisys.net>
<32256612.733B@unitel.co.kr> <3225def0.1807197@news.snafu.de>
<32267B90.7E35@unitel.co.kr> <32271411.834200@news.snafu.de>
<5080tv$g3s@ari.ari.net> <322914F7.764@worldnet.att.net>
<50g9jn$auc@ari.ari.net> <322CB331.22FD@worldnet.att.net>
<50igku$bl3@ari.ari.net> <322DA00C.1278@epix.net>
<322df37f.10928042@news.snafu.de>
On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 21:25:29 GMT Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de)
wrote:
> In <322DA00C.1278@epix.net>, Rachel Carter wrote:
> >My apologies if i have hurt or offended anyone by this posting. Please
> >keep in mind that those of us who are Unificationists have a special
> >obligation not to violate anyone's shimjung.
> What's a "sjimjung" ?
"SHIMJUNG" refers to the inner being of a person, their heart and
their impulse to love and be loved. It is a Korean term not easily
translated into English.
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From damian@unification.net Fri Sep 6 15:37:12 1996
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:35:03 -0400
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
Reply-To: damian@cais.cais.com
To: Unification Texts ,
World Scripture ,
Unification Evangelism List
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification, talk.religion.misc,
alt.religion.christian, alt.christnet.theology
Subject: Hello, Damian's back
Hi all,
I just got back last night from a 10 day retreat in Kodiak, Alaska, in
which we had a 7 day workshop with Rev. Ken Sudo, and 3 days of fishing on
the ocean and river with Rev. Moon and his wife, and a whole bunch of
seminary graduates. We went out on 5 boats. One boat caught a 180 pound
halibut, though it wasn't me, and many in the 30 to 60 pound range. Even a
little one is 20 pounds.
Also, we caught a huge quantity of silver salmon, pink salmon, king
salmon, rockfish, and had a feast on sashimi and cooked fish every day. It
was a very good experience. I apologize for being offline for some of
those days. I will do what I can to share the voluminous contents of this
experience in short form, (I have 400 pages of notes) and to challenge
Unificationists everywhere to take up the message of Unificationism to
restore America and the world, revive Christianity, and to save the
institution of the family from total decay in the world.
Thought for the day:
The dividing point of good and evil is SEX and how we use it. This is the
core of the cultural war going on in the world and the debates on
abortion, homosexuality, family values, promiscuity, crime, family
breakdown, the decline of religion, and so on.
In True Parents' Names,
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6 -rw------- 1 damian webuser 2084 Sep 9 08:11 art10
From damian@CAIS.CAIS.COM Mon Sep 9 08:09:43 1996
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:35:03 -0400
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
Reply-To: Unification Church Internet Evangelism mailing list
To: UNIF-EVANGELISM@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Hello, Damian's back
Hi all,
I just got back last night from a 10 day retreat in Kodiak, Alaska, in
which we had a 7 day workshop with Rev. Ken Sudo, and 3 days of fishing on
the ocean and river with Rev. Moon and his wife, and a whole bunch of
seminary graduates. We went out on 5 boats. One boat caught a 180 pound
halibut, though it wasn't me, and many in the 30 to 60 pound range. Even a
little one is 20 pounds.
Also, we caught a huge quantity of silver salmon, pink salmon, king
salmon, rockfish, and had a feast on sashimi and cooked fish every day. It
was a very good experience. I apologize for being offline for some of
those days. I will do what I can to share the voluminous contents of this
experience in short form, (I have 400 pages of notes) and to challenge
Unificationists everywhere to take up the message of Unificationism to
restore America and the world, revive Christianity, and to save the
institution of the family from total decay in the world.
Thought for the day:
The dividing point of good and evil is SEX and how we use it. This is the
core of the cultural war going on in the world and the debates on
abortion, homosexuality, family values, promiscuity, crime, family
breakdown, the decline of religion, and so on.
In True Parents' Names,
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6 -rw------- 1 damian webuser 2536 Sep 9 10:30 art11
Subject: Sex education
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.christnet.theology
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On 6 Sep 1996 23:08:06 -0700 tilman@berlin.snafu.de wrote:
> In article <323115D5.6524@ix.netcom.com>, "Laszlo says...
> "Abstinence" is the key. Your wife teaches teens not to have sex instead
> of having responsible sex. Your wife's agenda is not AIDS protection.
> It is preventing teens from having fun. The "drug" part is IMO just
> because everyone is against drugs anyway.
Of course the Unification Church teaches abstinence before marriage.
And it has nothing to do with preventing teens from having "fun".
There is NO SUCH THING as responsible sex between people who do
not have a lifelong commitment. All sex between persons not committed
to eternal marriage is irresponsible. We teach that God's ideal is
that marriage is to take place between virgin men and women and
that the sex they experience in marriage be their FIRST LOVE, with
the Blessing of God. It is very important to share your first love
with the person with whom you will be spending eternity.
We also teach that Satan sowed the seed of irresponsible sex in
the Garden of Eden with Eve and then Adam, and so in the final days
of Satan's rule of this Earth, we will see the phenomenon of
worldwide promiscuity among teens. This will be followed by the
age in which God rules over sexuality, and the most beautiful love
will prevail between men and women who will create families embodying
God's eternal, unique, unchanging and absolute love, and eternal,
unique, unchanging and absolute sex.
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6 -rw------- 1 damian webuser 2925 Sep 9 20:30 art12
Subject: What is the Messiah?
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On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 10:58:43 -0400 Dennis Smith (dsmith1@worldnet.att.net)
wrote:
> Of course I support your rights to free speech and to believe that Sun Myung
> Moon is the Messiah. Deprogramming is just another name for kidnapping and
> I do not support it. Exit couseling is something I do support and recommend.
Dennis,
Since you are so convinced that Rev. Moon is NOT the Messiah, would
you perhaps explain what you mean by the word Messiah, and what is
the role and mission of the Messiah? You could be talking about
something totally different from what we Unificationists are talking
about, so I would be interested to know what it is that you mean
by the term.
> You are followers of a delusional convicted felon who runs a criminal
> organization. My posts have been directed at pointing this out, telling
> people that Moon is not the Messiah as he claims and pointing
> out that many church members are posting information that is false. I can
> understand this bothers you. Stop calling people names it is beneath
> you.
As for the name calling, I think it is entirely juvenile on the
part of all on this newsgroup who participate in it, on both sides,
so I request that we all just stop it. I think that even Tilman
will admit that I have not stooped to this practice. But if you
insist on characterizing Rev. Moon as a "delusional convicted
felon", go ahead. His value to God and humanity is not determined
by the silly labels that you attach to him. Jesus Christ was an
executed capital criminal according to the laws of his day, but it
would be considered most gauche and insulting to Christians to say
that. It is clear to me that you want to maintain a barrage of
insults against Rev. Moon, but I hardly think that you are doing
your cause any good. The void in people's lives which can only be
satisfied by an authentic spirituality is not to be so easily
deterred.
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10 -rw------- 1 damian webuser 4477 Sep 9 20:50 art13
Subject: Re: Sex education
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On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 20:49:27 GMT Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de)
wrote:
> In <5119nt$opg@news2.cais.com>, damian@cais2.cais.com (Damian J.
> Anderson) wrote:
> >Of course the Unification Church teaches abstinence before marriage.
> >And it has nothing to do with preventing teens from having "fun".
> >There is NO SUCH THING as responsible sex between people who do
> >not have a lifelong commitment.
> You misformulated this sentence. Let me correct it:
> We of the Moon organisation believe there is NO SUCH THING as
> responsible sex between people who do not have a lifelong
> commitment.
Although members of the Unification Church believe this, it is by
no means unique to our faith. Most faiths teach the importance of
celibacy before marriage and fidelity within it, but those teachings
are ignored by a large segment of the population. Any faith which
fails to promote these values is dead, in my view, and may as well
be trampled underfoot, as the salt which loses its savor, which
Jesus spoke of.
> >All sex between persons not committed
> >to eternal marriage is irresponsible.
> You misformulated this sentence. Let me correct it:
> We of the Moon organisation believe that all sex between
> persons not committed to eternal marriage within the Moon
> organisation is irresponsible.
The "Moon organization" has nothing to do with it. We speak of
eternal marriage with the Blessing of God, without reference to
any organization. The significant aspect is that God's blessing on
marriage comes through the the True Parents, whom we believe to be
Rev. Sun Myung Moon and his wife, Hak Ja Han Moon. However, other
people are now authorized to give this blessing now, not only Rev.
and Mrs. Moon. Through people authorized as Tribal Messiahs,
especially in Africa and Asia, tens of thousands of couples have
received this Blessing in the last year.
> >We teach that God's ideal is
> >that marriage is to take place between virgin men and women and
> >that the sex they experience in marriage be their FIRST LOVE, with
> >the Blessing of God.
> >It is very important to share your first love
> >with the person with whom you will be spending eternity.
> You misformulated this sentence. Let me correct it:
> We of the Moon organisation believe that is very important
> to share your first love with the person with whom you
> have been assigned by Sun Myung Moon and with whom you
> will be spending eternity.
The Blessing of the True Parents is not contingent on Sun Myung
Moon choosing the spouse. People who choose their own spouses are
free to participate the Blessing, and also those who are already
married.
> Thanks also for confirming my argument. No AIDS agenda at all. Just some
> people who never had good sex trying to prevent others.
No AIDS agenda??? !!! Abstinence before marriage and fidelity within
it will eliminate AIDS altogther. Most of those who have it have
self-selected themselves for destruction. The others are victims
of the former.
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