Responses to Questions on
Unificationism on the Internet - Volume 24
Feb 22 1996
From damian@cais.cais.comThu Feb 22 19:20:14 1996
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:19:25 -0500 (EST)
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: Walter Smith
Subject: Re: UNIFICATION CHURCH -- Please help me define these terms
On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Walter Smith wrote:
> Damian,
>
> I had a quick question about the beliefs on the
> Unification Church; do you beleive that Jesus
> is God - beleive in the Trinity?
>
> Thanks!
I do not believe that Jesus is God Himself, but that he is one with God,
much as husband and wife are one.
For the Divine Principle teaching on the subject, read:
"Is Jesus God Himself?"
at
http://www.unification.net/dp73/dp73-1-7.html#2.3
> Walter
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Feb 22 1996
Subject: The Kirov Ballet Academy
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Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: In <4gepjf$33b@usenet.kornet.nm.kr>, sgtimes@soback.kornet.nm.kr (SeKeo
: (kornet)) wrote:
: >: What if "Julia" wants to marry a living guy ? Is this allowed ?
: >
: >Why the quotation marks suddenly? Anyway, she is quite capable of speaking
: >for herself. I'm sure you can send here a message care of the Wl
: Because its not her real name. Her real name is "Hoon Sok Pak".
Many artists use names other than their given names, such as Prince,
Madonna, Bob Dylan, so why would it be so strange for a Korean
ballerina to adopt an English sounding name? In fact, it is very
common for Koreans who live in America to use an American name
among their English speaking friends. It is just easier to pronounce.
I knew Hoon Sook back around 1978-80 when she was studying ballet
in London. She used to come to the CARP house in London where I
spent the summers.
: >If the author of that article knew anything about Julia Moon, he/she
: >should have described her as something more than "a dancer." Go
: >back and check the article again. Also, check with Russia's Kirov
: >Ballet to see whether they've ever heard of her.
: If you have anything to say, say it. Has she retired ? Or has she turned
: to forms of dance that are more popular ? Or does she sell insurances
: instead ? Or are you just wasting bandwith ?
I believe that Julia (Hoon Sook) Moon is the principal dancer with
the Universal Ballet Company in Seoul, Korea. My sister-in-law,
Anne Inoue, is her personal assistant. The Kirov Ballet academy
artistic director, Oleg Vinogradov, brought many of his dance
teachers to Washington DC to begin a dance academy here, which goes
by the name of the Kirov Ballet Academy. The former Soviet government
gave them permission to use the Kirov name. The founder and sole
benefactor of the Kirov Academy is none other than Rev. Sun Myung
Moon. There is a strong demand for places at this private school,
and it has established a prestigious name for itself during its
short history in the US. The Kirov and UBC in Seoul have a close
association.
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Feb 22 1996
Subject: Re: DISCUSS BIBLE WITH AN ATHEIST? WHY NOT?? :-)
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Edward Brunelle (eddy@ici.net) wrote:
: Hi;
: My name is Eddy and I am looking for a few people to discuss the New
: Testament with. I am looking for a special type of Person however.
: You see....I am an Atheist. I may even be considered by some as a
: "Hard Core Atheist"!
Are you the person who goes by the name of Publius on alt.atheism?
I have in the past had discussions on alt.atheism, but the people
on there were among the most intolerant I have ever met. If you
want to question or discuss the beliefs of Unificationism on this
forum, alt.religion.unification exists for that purpose, which is
where I see this post, so go ahead.
I have no interest in private e-mail discussion, not because I
don't feel up it, but because I am interested in discussing
Unification ideas in public to heighten public awareness of the
life and teachings of Rev. Sun Myung Moon. Our resident interrogator
is Tilman Hausherr, who calls us to task on every perceived wrong
and inconsistency. Let me just say that it can be fruitful for all
of us to be questioned. In attempting to come up with answers, I
am required to look within myself for what I believe to be true
and come up with honest answers. Now the questioner can engage in
similar self-scrutiny, or can simply hide behind a veil of questions.
Whichever you choose is up to you, but welcome aboard anyway.
: EDDY
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Mar 6 1996
Subject: Re: Could Tilman be fibbing?
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B.P.F. Kassler (bpfk@alnilam.toppoint.de) wrote:
: Hello Tilman
: (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) ## 28 Feb 96 ##
: >Moonies are not exactly known to respect the truth. He denied it,
: Do you have any explanation *why* these cult scums are always lying?? Is
: it a kind of brain damage ??
Are you saying that ALL members of the Unification Church ALWAYS
lie? Do you have any evidence to support this outrageous bigoted
claim?
Have you heard me lie even once?
Shame on you.
: mit freundlichem Grusse: Bernd
Ich glaube das nicht!
: mintaka@toppoint.de..........................(bkassler@ploe.comcity.de)
: - erratic othography is intended to contribute to common amusement -
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Mar 6 1996
Subject: The Spiritual Body
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Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: SeKeo (kornet) (sgtimes@soback.kornet.nm.kr) wrote:
: : The physical and spiritual aspects of the human body are closely
: : intertwined so that if a substance is going to have ill effects on
: : the physical side then it cannot but also have similar effegts on
: : the spiritual side. If using LSD turns your phyical body into mush,
: : then you can bet that it's doing the same to your spiritual body.
: Funny. I never heard that LSD turns "the physical body into mush".
: I also never heard that there is something as a "spiritual body".
See 1 Corinthians 15. There are earthly bodies and there are heavenly
bodies. The earthly body is in the image and likeness of the heavenly
one. It is the heavenly body that we take with us to eternity when
we leave this life. This is the body that Peter, James and John,
the apostles saw of Jesus, Moses and Elijah on the Mount of
Transfiguration, recorded in Matthew 17. This is the form in which
Jesus appeared to his disciples after his death. It is a thoroughly
biblical concept.
: How many bodies do you have, Tim ?
Every person living on the Earth has a spiritual body and a physical
body. On departing the physical life, we retain only the spiritual
body.
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Mar 7 1996
Subject: Re: Could Tilman be fibbing?
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Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: In <4hk77j$ngs@news2.cais.com>, damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian J.
: Anderson) wrote:
: >B.P.F. Kassler (bpfk@alnilam.toppoint.de) wrote:
: >: Hello Tilman
: >: (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) ## 28 Feb 96 ##
: >
: >: >Moonies are not exactly known to respect the truth. He denied it,
: >
: >: Do you have any explanation *why* these cult scums are
: >: always lying?? Is it a kind of brain damage ??
: >
: >Are you saying that ALL members of the Unification Church ALWAYS
: >lie? Do you have any evidence to support this outrageous bigoted
: >claim?
: Although it hurts (ouch!) I have to agree with Damian here. I wouldn't
: say what Bernd said. (There is an obvious difference between the two
: statements).
Thank you, Tilman. I respect that in you, that you are a man of
principle, even though we disagree.
: >Have you heard me lie even once?
: No. You seem to be the one with the most integrity, especially compared
: to the other in the newsgroup. I guess some people try to stay honest
: even in such a cult. Of course this doesn't prevent you to repeat the
: usual propaganda.
This I take as high praise, coming from you, Tilman. :-)
I am a man of conscience, and I have always done my very best to
follow my father's advice, that is, my physical father (Mr. Anderson),
not my spiritual father and guide (Rev. Moon). His only request of
me when I had doubts about my Catholic faith in my adolescence was
that I always be an honest seeker of the truth. I ask nothing more
of you, Tilman, and nothing less either.
And as for propaganda, one man's gospel is another man's propaganda.
: Tilman Hausherr
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Mar 7 1996
Subject: Re: UTexts: Harmony of Extremes
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Charles Coen (coen@netcom.com) wrote:
: Damian J. Anderson (damian@cais.cais.com) wrote:
: : "Blessing and Ideal Family"
: : by Reverend Sun Myung Moon
: : Chapter 4
: : Part 2
: : THE STANDARD FOR MATCHING AND OUR ATTITUDE
: : 2. THERE SHOULD BE THE HARMONY OF EXTREMES
: : When Father is giving the Blessing, he has to make two poles meet for
: : there to be a harmonious family.
: How does "Father" handle the meeting of two poles in same sex marriages?
Same sex marriages are marriages made in hell. There are no same
sex marriages blessed by Rev. Moon or by the Unification Church
or by God.
: Chuck Coen
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Mar 9 1996
Subject: Re: North Koreans Consume Human Flesh
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Mike Stucka (mstucka@orion.it.luc.edu) wrote:
: Dwayne Allen Day (wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu) wrote:
: : [I am not making this up]
: : According to an article in the 6 March Washington Times,
: Couple of comments: regardless of factual content, it doesn't seem
: particularly pertinent to the newsgroup. Regarding the factual
: content, it should probably be mentioned that the Rev. Moon owns
: the Washington Times.
It may be of interest to you to know that the Summit Council for
World Peace, which is an organization of former heads of state
founded by Rev. Moon, is providing humanitarian assistance to North
Korea in the form of food aid. For a fuller report, see the statement
on my home page at:
http://www.unification.net/misc/nkorea.html
Members of the Summit Council have developed private diplomatic
ties with North Korea. Rev. Moon, who comes from the North, visited
with the late Kim Il Sung and agreed to help him in the development
of the country. Members of SCWP have met with Kim Jong Il since he
came to power.
: Mike
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Mar 9 1996
Subject: Re: The Spiritual Body
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Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: In <4hl3lg$26@news2.cais.com>, damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian J.
: Anderson) wrote:
: >Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: >: SeKeo (kornet) (sgtimes@soback.kornet.nm.kr) wrote:
: >: : The physical and spiritual aspects of the human body are closely
: >: : intertwined so that if a substance is going to have ill effects on
: >: : the physical side then it cannot but also have similar effegts on
: >: : the spiritual side. If using LSD turns your phyical body into mush,
: >: : then you can bet that it's doing the same to your spiritual body.
: >
: >: Funny. I never heard that LSD turns "the physical body into mush".
: >: I also never heard that there is something as a "spiritual body".
: >
: >See 1 Corinthians 15. There are earthly bodies and there are heavenly
: >bodies. The earthly body is in the image and likeness of the heavenly
: >one. It is the heavenly body that we take with us to eternity when
: >we leave this life. This is the body that Peter, James and John,
: >the apostles saw of Jesus, Moses and Elijah on the Mount of
: >Transfiguration, recorded in Matthew 17. This is the form in which
: >Jesus appeared to his disciples after his death. It is a thoroughly
: >biblical concept.
: Even if it is written in the Bible like that, I don't agree with it.
: Using such language is representing something spiritual as physical. A
: "body" is something solid. If Jesus appeared to his fans after his
: death, then it means he was really there, either because he didn't
: actually die, or because he came back from the death. If you say it was
: only a "spiritual body", then it would mean that a scientific test
: should be developped, which would show if a person you meet is actually
: there, or is just a spiritual stand-in.
Part of the problem may lie in the weakness of the language we use
to express such concepts. The spiritual body to my understanding
has a form and substance that can be perceived by the spiritual
senses but not by the physical senses. What is physical can be
perceived by the physical senses or by instruments which extend
their capacity. However, the spiritual dimension does not lend
itself well to such measurement.
Although we know that love, courage, conscience, faithfulness,
patience, fortitude, forbearance, all these are spiritual qualities,
they do not have units such as Ohm, Hertz, Volt, Weber, Farad,
Kilogram, Meter, Second, Coulomb, and so on by which we can measure
them.
: But thanks for explaining me the term. It means that Tim believes that
: LSD is doing harm to you after your death. It also means that his
: sentence
You are welcome. You may find that the teachings of other religions
will give you insight into this concept of the spiritual body,
since it is by no means a uniquely Unificationist concept. Indeed
the concept of many different levels of bodies such as the emotional
body, the mental body, the etheric body, and so on are common in
Eastern religions. You will also hear mention of energy centers
called chakras, and meridians of energy flow used in acupuncture.
Just because western science does not acknowledge the validity of
such things does not mean that they are not true, or indeed that
they are true.
However, I am inclined to believe that there is a whole lot that
we do not know about the workings of the body and the spirit and
their relationship to one another.
: The physical and spiritual aspects of the human body
: should be rewritten
: The physical and spiritual aspects of the human bodies
Maybe so.
: Tilman
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