Responses to Questions on
Unificationism on the Internet - Volume 23
Feb 18 1996
Subject: Re: Christianity & Racism
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nkhan@axp2.umkc.edu wrote:
: Could some one please tell me what does bible say about the practice
: of racism. If christianity is a religion of love and peace then
: why did white christians treat black christians so badly. If
: christianity is such a nice religion then why were blacks in USA
: totally segregated. I have heard some KKK members say that God
: wants blacks and whites to be seperate. Is this really what the
: bible teaches? I have never seen any one contradict KKK from the
: bible. How come the blacks could'nt even attend the white churches
: about 30 yers ago. Is segregation the teachings of a loving God?
: Why would a loving God of christianity want to keep people of
: different races disunited and seperate? Now we have to keep in
: mind that equal rights were granted to women and blacks in USA by
: the constitution and not by the church authorities.
The Bible teaches us that God is the creator of all people, and
that He is our Father. Anyone who teaches that God wants to divide
black and whites is giving you the teachings of God's enemy, the
devil.
: Dont consider this as a critique. I am sincerely looking for some
: answers. I just cant comprehend why would a gracious God of
: christianity want to create discord and segregation among people
: of different color?
God does not want discord, and He cannot bless or dwell with people
who practice discord and segregation.
: Please reply to my e-mail account because I dont browse through
: this news group very often. Do indicate your denomination regardless
: of your opinion, because I guess different denominations hold
: different opinions on this subject.
This is the short answer. However, you will find that racism is
one of the big pervasive problems in American Christianity. The
founder of my church, Rev. Sun Myung Moon, believes that the way
to solve the problem of racism is international, inter-racial and
intercultural marriage. So, last year, he organized a wedding of
360,000 couples in Seoul, Korea, and next year, he will hold a 3.6
million couples wedding, dedicated to the theme of World Peace
through Ideal Families. A large proportion of these marriages are
inter-racial. Rev. Moon matches many of the couples himself, others
come to receive his blessing on their choice of partner, or are
married couples asking for his blessing.
: Thanks.
You're welcome. For more info, visit my Home Page. In particular,
you may like the World Scripture at:
http://www.unification.net/ws
The main Unification Home Page is at:
http://www.unification.net
: nkhan@cctr.umkc.edu
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Feb 18 1996
Subject: Re: fwd: Moon defendant in Alaska Price-Fixing Charges
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Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: In <4g5cl5$f91@news.alaska.edu>, rnejn@aurora.alaska.edu (Joanne Nelson)
: wrote:
: >If you are interested enough to read this thread I hope you will be
: >interested enough to do some research for the truth. The way I hear it is
: >that there were not "2,700 Bristol Bay Fishermen" but 9 (that's right,
: >nine!) and these "Bristol Bay Fishermen" are not residents of Bristol Bay
: >but men who come up here during their summer vacation from lucrative
: >winter jobs to fish. Their opinions and actions should not be taken as
: >representative of the Bristol Bay Fishermen who live here and fish in the
: >summer to provide for their families need throughout the year.
: Could it be that both AP and you are correct ? That nine filed the
: initial lawsuit, that the court allowed it to be a class action law
: suit, and that other 2691 people joined it ?
Hey Tilman, put your brain into gear before opening your mouth
please. If you don't know the facts, just hush, okay?
: Tilman
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From: andybacus@aol.com (AndyBacus)
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Subject: Re: Is There Any Valid Criteria Members Can Use to Disbelieve?
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Andrew responds to Steve's latest:
>Andy, a Congressional Investigation has no power to make charges. They
>cited that they found systematic evidence of wrongdoing and called for an
>interagency task force to further investigate those areas. Read the
>report! It was published by the U.S. government Printing Office- stock
>number 052-070-04729-1 (dated October 31st 1978). Eventually, Moon was
>convicted, sentenced to jail and served 13 months.
Is Steve kidding? The purpose of such investigations is to dig up dirt
and then to pass it all on to a federal prosecutor. Check with Hillary,
she can confirm that. The Fraser committee started with the well worn
accusations that Rev. Moon was an operative for the KCIA, that Rev. Moon
was involved in the misuse of public money, that his Church was a front
for personal gain, etc. - all seriously illegal acts. The committee ended
up with NOTHING. Exactly what it started with
>I believe that it was because of the proof that the Korean CIA used the
>Moonies at least twice, for political reasons within the U.S., that the
>U.S. government didn't want to embarrass the South Korean dictatorship or
>jeopardize future U.S. funding for our political ally.
Ah, yes. It couldn't be that the evidence against Rev. Moon and the UC
was so woefully lacking that prosecution was not even remotely possible.
No, it must have been the government's decision to not embarrass the S.
Korean government. Get real. Steve and everyone else knows without a
doubt that if there had been anything there Rev. Moon would have been
indicted faster than you can say "I'm running for president."
I see Steve continues to use the "Moonie" tag. He is such a mature mental
health professional. I wonder if casting pejorative hate speech is a
violation of Massachusetts law as it applies to licensed mental health
professionals? What was the name of that agency that Steve claims to be
registered with? Grow up, Steve.
>Remember, the CIA
>set up the Korean CIA after the third coup in 1961. The cold war was hot
>against the commies and Colonel Bo Hi Pak's (Moon's right hand man and
>chief interpreter- also listed as owner of many Moon businesses) job in
>the South Korean embassy in D.C. in 1963 was as liason person between CIA
>and Korean CIA. I believe that is why the findings of the investigation
>were not acted upon- except to slap Moon's hand forthe tax conspiracy
>charge.
Gosh, sounds like Steve has the outline for a screen play that Oliver
Stone might be interested in. Such stories are great when you don't have
to bother supplying any evidence in support.
>According to TIME magazine, the Moonies spent 30 million dollars
>on a campaign to paint Moon as the "persecuted yellow man with a minority
>religion". The money paid for full page ads, and provided a lot of money
>to "religious" leaders and others who were willing to speak publicly in
>defense of Moon.
Like Senator Orin Hatch, for example, or Ted Abernathy, or Correta Scott
King, or the ACLU, or the National Council of Churches, or the Baptist
Churches of America, or dozens of others representing millions of
Americans who all agreed that, indeed, Rev. Moon was such a persecuted
religious figure. Or can Steve point out any other person who was
prosecuted for failing to pay approximately $7,300 in taxes.
>As far as Congressman Fraser losing his next election bid, there were
>reports that Moonies went door to door, spreading lies that Fraser was a
>KGB agent (with no proof, except an article published in the Moonie
>newspaper).
I like that. "There were reports that..." I wonder how someone would go
about checking those reports? How convenient.
>Andy, have you ever read the Congressional Report? I bet you haven't. If
>you did, you would have black and white proof that the Moon leadership
>lies completely whenever they talk about the investigation finding no
>evidence of wrongdoing. Sometime in the near future, the highlights, if
>not the entire investigation will get posted for all to read. At that
>point,Andy will you finally come clean and do the right thing- leave the
>group?
Indeed, Andrew has a copy of said report and has read it. But having been
around the block once or twice I am not quite as gullible as Steve seems
to be. Congressional committees that spend millions of dollars on
investigations that do not pan out are not prone to institutionalizing
their folly in governmental reports. Thus savvy Congressional watchers
look past the rationalizing and try to find the beef. What was the beef
of the Fraser Committee? Zero.
>More lies, Andy. I bet you didn't read the legal case at all.
I confess. I haven't read all 50,000 pages of the transcript.
>Moon failed to pay interest on a personal account of over one million
dollars.
>The government proved its case by showing cancelled checks that the money
>was used only for Moon's family.
False. But don't take my word for it, please refer to the quotes from the
Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee which investigated the case,
Senator Orin Hatch. According to him:
"The three Justice Department attorneys who initially undertook an
independent review of a possible criminal action against Rev. Moon
unanimously agreed, independently of each other, that there was no case."
"According to the Justice Department's review, Rev. Moon's tax liability,
even if the government's case could be proven, was a mere $7,300 for a
three year period [or roughly $2,433 per year]. I have been advised that
the Justice Department's own guidelines state that criminal tax cases will
not be brought if the alleged tax deficiency is less than $2,500 per
year."
Oh, I forgot. Hatch is a Mormon and Steve considers the Mormons to be
another dangerous cult. Thus Hatch is suffering from mind control too.
That explains it, right Steve/Tilman?
>I personally was aware that in 1974 (remember Kamiyama was in charge of
>all fundraising operations in the U.S) that there were several MFT teams
>called "Father's teams" which were out fundraising full time. That money
>did not even go into the bank. It was transported and turned over in cash
>for Moon's own personal use.
Not so. The expression "Father's teams" has always referred to
fundraising teams whose result is earmarked for national Church purposes.
If what Steve says is correct (and it surely is not) then the Unification
Church, perhaps the most investigated Church in the history of America,
would have long ago lost its tax exempt status. Accusations flow freely
from Steve, but ask for some objectively verifiable evidence and the only
thing you hear is: "I was part of Moon's inner circle and he told
me....". A total crock.
>>While we are at it, compare Rev. Moon's sinister conspiracy to not pay
>>$7,000 to the actions of Mr. Hassan who, for a fee, conspired with
>>convicted felons to kidnap and involuntary deprogram members of
religious
>>groups. Did Steve ever serve time in jail for those actions? No. But
>>which is more morally repugnant?
>Again, you continue to spread lies and innuendo Andy. I have NEVER
>conspired with convicted felons. I have never kidnapped anyone. I have
>spoken out against involuntary interventions since 1980. I have never
been
>charged, much less convicted for anything- unlike ex-convict Moon and his
>son Hyo Jin.
Yes, as far as I know, Steve has never been charged. But when he
acknowledges to participating in involuntary deprogrammings, then he
acknowledges to participation in criminal acts. By participating with
others in said criminal acts, then he has conspired to commit crimes,
even if he was not the one who did the actual kidnapping. As for his
claim that he has spoken out against kidnapping, I find that claim to be
quite hollow in light of his long-time, continuous affiliation with CAN,
which has referred hundreds of parents of members of new religious groups
to the likes of convicted felons Galen Kelly, Rick Ross, and many others.
>As far as Moon not speaking English, I have a Masters Speaks in 1973 in
>which Moon says that he is "desperately studying English" and that it is
>the only thing slowing down God's Providence. I repeat. He could
>understand basic English (Let's not forget that we were told that he
could
>read people's minds) and I personally heard him speak English- badly, I'd
>admit, but English.
Steve makes my case. Rev. Moon was simply not in a position to speak with
any clarity in English during the time Steve claims.
>I am qualified to counsel individuals, couples and families because I
>have taken the time to be trained in counseling. My Master's degree was
>obtained over ten years ago, and I have had a great deal of experience.
Does Steve refer to his African American clients as "Niggers", his gay
clients as "fags", his Chinese clients as "chinks". His immaturity in
referring to Unificationists as "Moonies" flys right in the face of any
claim he might make to being qualified as a counselor.
>First of all, I have never been involved with a kidnapping. So your
>statement is false.
Here's a quote from *Steve's* own written statement given to me by him a
couple years ago:
"When I spoke with Skip, he was already handcuffed. I immediately sought
to convince him to calm down and stop being violent so he could be
released. He proceeded to kick a hole in the wall while on his bed. I
broke down in tears. I told him that I had no desire to have him
restrained, but his own behavior was forcing his family to do this."
[Note: As I recall, Tilman once challenged the authenticity of this quote.
Now Steve can confirm it for him.]
The guy was being held against his will. (Heaven knows why he would be
violent.) Steve was there participating in his involuntary deprogramming.
Just because Steve did not punch him in the face and throw him into a
van, as Ted Patrick used to do, does not mean he was not a participant.
>Second, when you continue to write in the present
>tense, you lie, because you know that I have not participated in anything
>involuntary since 1977. You knowingly perpetuate falsehoods.
Not so. Unless Steve equates the expression "deprogramming" with
kidnapping. Please quote me speaking of Steve's participation in
involuntary deprogrammings in the present tense.
> You make it sound like it is a crime that I charge money for my
>counseling services. Why have I helped so many people for free in the
past
>twenty years, if my only objective is to earn money.
Its not at all a crime to charge money for counseling services. However,
when the counselor relies on psychological theories which are shared by
only about 1% or less of members of the psychological community, then one
has to examine possible motives for that. One that glares out is the fact
that Steve charges $1,000 a day for his services. Its highly relevant.
But honestly I do not think that money is Steve's prime motivation. I
think his primary motivation is to justify the betrayal of his former
faith.
>I use the word Moonies, because Moon liked the word Moonie, we used to
>wear buttons "I am a Moonie, and I Love it" and I do not feel like I need
>to collaborate with the cult public relations effort to make it seem like
>a legitimate church.
But, of course, the UC* is* a legitimate church, and members of the UC are
people who have the same human rights as everyone else. Members of the UC
are hurt and offended by the expression "Moonies". For most people,
that's enough to cause them to no longer use the term. But when you are
trying to defame someone, like Steve, you ignore the pain you cause
others.
>The analogy does not fit with the word nigger. It is
>not meant to hurt or despise- becuase I refer to myself as an ex-moonie.
>It is a desriptive word of someone who is a follower of Mr. Moon. That is
>why I use it and will continue to use it.
This guy has a Masters degree in counseling? My goodness. Again, all UC
members consider the word to be pejorative. They are insulted and hurt by
it. Steve sounds like a Southern bigot trying to rationalize his use of
the word "nigger". "Gee Billy Bob, most of the Negroes I know call
themselves "nigger". It derives from Nigeria where they came from.
Nothing pejorative about it..." To be honest, I'm glad Steve will
continue to use the word. He may as well wear a badge that says "I'm a
bigot."
>Andrew, it is your job to tell lies for the group. The scam is that you
>pretend to be a believer, but I suspect you have lost your faith a long
>time ago. Doesn't gnaw at you, that you are supporting a cause which is
so
>false?
My faith has never been stronger. I recognize the validity of what Rev.
Moon has been saying now more than ever. Indeed, the pro-family values
advocated by Rev. Moon consistently since 1971 when he first came to
America to begin his mission have now become the core belief structure of
the Republican party (and the conservative wing of the Democratic party)
and they will have more and more impact on America. You have this false
concept that Rev. Moon expected every one in Americax to accept him as the
messiah. That has never been what Rev. Moon is about. He's about getting
people to live in the manner and dignity of true children of God. Perhaps
Steve's faith when he was a member was based upon the personality worship
of Rev. Moon, but not mine.
Andrew
Feb 18 1996
Subject: Re: UNIFICATION CHURCH -- Please help me define these terms --
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Dave Koch (dkoch@sas.upenn.edu) wrote:
: Please help me to define these terms that relate to the Unification Church
: (the Moonies). As I donıt regularly read this group, please e-mail your
: responses directly to me.
: Boonvile
: CARP
: Creative Community Project
: dual characteristics (of creation, God)
: Fall of man
: four position foundation
: give-and-take relation
: ³heart²
: Holy Spirit Association
: ICUS
: indemnity
: Lord of the Second Advent
: matching
: MFT
: New ERA
: Oakland Family
: Ocean Church
: Pusan
: restoration
: Second Adam
: spiritual parent
: suffering
: The Principle
: three blessings
: True Parents
: Unification Theological Seminary
: Washington Times
Maybe you can just do your own homework, and look at the Unification
Home Page:
http://www.unification.net
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Feb 18 1996
Subject: The Holy Wine Ceremony
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Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: Guess I'm a baaad guy. Damian named me three web sites (thank you),
: today I started looking at them, and what do I find ? Something
: different than what I was searching (holy wine stuff).
Tilman made a query about the Holy Wine Ceremony. I did a search,
which I have yet to automate on the web page, but which I can do
locally, and here are the hits. There may be others, but these were
pages on which both words "holy" and "wine" occurred on the same
line:
http://www.unification.net/gww/gww-29.html
http://www.unification.net/misc/marriage.html
http://www.unification.net/bif/bif-4-4.html
http://www.unification.net/tradition/tt1-21.html
: Tilman Hausherr
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Feb 20 1996
Subject: Re: Christianity & Racism
On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, L. wrote:
> You wrote:
> >
> >: Please reply to my e-mail account because I dont browse through
> >: this news group very often. Do indicate your denomination regardless
> >: of your opinion, because I guess different denominations hold
> >: different opinions on this subject.
>
> Christianity as we know it emerged from the controversy between the
> Jewish followers of Jesus as Messiah and the gentile followers of
> Saul/Paul, who invented a new Savior Cult. After the Jewish War and
> destruction of Jerusalem (70 AD) and disappearance of the Jerusalem
> Church of Jewish Messianists, Gentile Christians needed to distance
> themselves from Jews in general and to prove that they are not
> subversive toward the Roman rulers. So they falsified the story of
> their titular founder (Jesus) to make it look like he was pro-Roman and
> anti-Jewish. Just read the Gospel according to Mark with this in mind.
>
> Consequently, official Christianity started out as an anti Jewish
> religion, and remained so until the recent decree by the Pope
> exonerating the Jewish people.
>
> This should be enough for now.
This is an interesting perspective, but of course, Christianity has never
been monolithic, and there have been pockets of virtue and of corruption
always, sometimes the virtuous leading and sometimes the corrupt.
I am no great scholar on the history of Christianity, and in fact I have
the famous book by Walker on the History of Christianity on my bookshelf,
which I intend to study in more detail in the coming months.
Even though the Papacy may have held an anti-semitic stance at times,
that does not mean that the sincere pious Christians have shared that
view. After all, there have been popes, priests and bishops who though
vowed to celibacy had illegitimate children. That does not invalidate the
faith because some were unfaithful.
> L.
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Feb 20 1996
Subject: Re: The Moonie FAQ
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Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: In <4g880o$9mq@zippy.cais.net>, damian@cais2.cais.com (Damian J. Anderson) wrote:
: >Well, Tilman, without commenting on the rest of this diatribe, the
: >least you can do is show sources pro and con. If someone wants to
: >find original source material of Unificationist teachings, they
: >can look at the Unification Home Page where you can find texts in
: >nine languages, and links to other Unificationist pages:
: You are absolutely correct. I don't know why I "forgot" this - in my
: scientology related work, I maintain a whole page of pro-scientologist
: links. I have no problem with this. Here the content of the next version
: of the FAQ. Who knows, maybe some people want to join the organisation
: immediately when reading it. I have included only one UC address, since
: it would be too long.
That's better. While I don't agree with 99 per cent of the content
of this "FAQ", this is a minimal requirement so that even though
your editorial slant is skewed against the church, at least you
need to provide original sources.
: Tilman
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Feb 21 1996
Subject: Re: UNIFICATION CHURCH -- Please help me define these terms --
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Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: In <4g8dqd$9mq@zippy.cais.net>, damian@cais2.cais.com (Damian J.
: Anderson) wrote:
: >Dave Koch (dkoch@sas.upenn.edu) wrote:
: >: Please help me to define these terms that relate to the Unification
: >: Church (the Moonies). As I dont regularly read this group, please
: >: e-mail your responses directly to me.
: >: Boonvile
: don't know
Booneville was a retreat used by the California Unification Church (UC).
: >: CARP
: student recruiters
Collegiate Association for the Research of Principles, a student
organization associated with the Unification Church.
: >: Creative Community Project
: front group
A project of the California UC.
: >: dual characteristics (of creation, God)
Observation that living things exist in pairs, male/female,
internal/external and this reflects God's nature.
: >: Fall of man
: eating an apple when you're told not to
The origin of sin which caused humanity to be alienated from God.
: >: four position foundation
The purpose of creation is to form this four-position foundation
consisting of God, husband, wife and children, fulfilling God's
ideal of love in the family.
: >: give-and-take relation
The action which binds subject and object and which is the source
of all existence, action, multiplication and development.
: >: ³heart²
The motivation of the subject to seek out and unite with the object
in love.
: >: Holy Spirit Association
HSA-UWC - Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World
Christianity, the official name of the Unification Church.
: >: ICUS
International Conference on the Unity of the Sciences.
: >: indemnity
Reparation for sin.
: >: Lord of the Second Advent
The man who fulfils the role of the returning Christ.
: >: matching
: assigning a partner
The assignment of a marriage partner for the Blessing, the Unification
Church wedding and primary sacrament.
: >: MFT
: petal pushers
Mobile Fundraising Team.
: >: New ERA
: Something that Moon claims to bring us
New Ecumenical Research Association
: >: Oakland Family
The Oakland, California UC.
: >: Ocean Church
The work of Rev. Moon in the area of fishing, fish-farming, boat
building, fish restaurants, all as a way to develop the oceans to
feed the world. The fish processing plant in Alaska has developed
a high protein fish powder which is to be used by relief agencies
in famine relief. There is a boat building factory in Bayou La
Batre, Louisiana. There is a frequent tuna fishing competition off
Gloucester, Mass to encourage people to learn the art of ocean
fishing for blue fin tuna. There is an oceanography department
being developed at the University of Bridgeport, Connecticut, which
will support the development of oceanic resources. Recently, there
was an exhibition commemorating Rev. Moon's work for the last 21
years in the arena of oceanic resource development.
: >: Pusan
A city in South Korea which was at one time the only part of Korea
not occupied by the Communists. The first Unificatino Church was
built there out of old Army ration boxes and mud.
: >: restoration
: Moonifying
Restoration = Salvation = Recreation = Establishment of God's
Ideal on Earth and in the eternal spirit world.
: >: Second Adam
: Moon
No, Jesus. (1 Cor 15:45)
: >: spiritual parent
: Moon
No, the person who introduces another to the faith.
: >: suffering
: don't know. My life is pretty cool.
No a particularly Unificationist experience or concept.
: >: The Principle
: The diving principle. The base text.
The Divine Principle: http://www.unification.net/dp73/
: >: three blessings
: don't know
There's a lot you don't know Tilman, for such an avid critic. The
ideal of the three blessings comes from Gen 1:28. God commanded
humanity to (1) be fruitful i.e. gain maturity spiritually and
phyically, (2) multiply and fill the earth, ie, have a family and
multiply children of goodness, (3) take dominion over nature ie.
become the Lords of creation. This is the fulfilment of God's
blessings to His children. He gave the same blessings to Noah.
: >: True Parents
: Moon and his current wife
The ideal of the Messiah and his bride who bring salvation to all humanity.
: >: Unification Theological Seminary
: A vacation in a Moonification camp
The only UC seminary in the USA.
: >: Washington Times
: A small right-winged paper, sadly read by some republicans. A possible
: cause for Alzheimer.
The most important newspaper in Washington DC and a favorite of
Rush Limbaugh, Ollie North, G. Gordon Liddy and Ronald Reagan.
: >Maybe you can just do your own homework, and look at the Unification
: >Home Page:
: >
: > http://www.unification.net
: Well now you have less words to look up.
Now, you could have done some homework too Tilman. You showed your
lack of knowledge about your target of criticism.
: Tilman
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Feb 21 1996
Subject: Re: Unificationism and money
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Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: In <4frt05$ija@zippy.cais.net>, damian@cais2.cais.com (Damian J.
: Anderson) wrote:
: >: >This is rather old news, isn't it Tilman?
: >
: >: Yes. 10 years old. Reminds me that Andy brings up Steve's
: >: deprogrammings, which are 20 years old.
: >
: >You mean that Steve Hassan has not done any deprogrammings since
: >1976? I know rather little about the guy, so I would not know
: >whether this is true or not.
: Actually he said he did the last in 77. He left in 76.
: You do indeed know little about Hassan. One should know its adversaries.
I don't consider Steve Hassan my adversary. And he has little of
interest to me, other than the fact that he is a constant complainer
about the hardships he suffered in the Unification Church which he
has since parlayed into a business opportunity. Maybe he should be
grateful that the UC has made him a living all these years.
: >: Using an "old" argument is IMO only a problem if the person has changed.
: >: For example, Steve Hassan has stopped to do "involuntaries". Rick Ross
: >: was a jewel thief and has never done a crime again.
: >
: >Fair enough. I did not know that Rick Ross was a jewel thief.
: And I thought you were such a fan of the "CAN reform group" ! They often
: mention this, but take care not to mention the date, or that he was
: never convicted of a crime after it.
Not really a fan. I saw their web page, thought some of their
material was interesting and posted it, no more, no less.
: Tilman Hausherr
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Feb 21 1996
Subject: Re: The Holy Wine Ceremony
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Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: In <4g8f9m$c7r@zippy.cais.net>, damian@cais2.cais.com (Damian J. Anderson)
: wrote:
: >Tilman made a query about the Holy Wine Ceremony. I did a search,
: >which I have yet to automate on the web page, but which I can do
: This would be an excellent idea, both for the believers and the critics.
Yes. I thought of that when I first set up the Web page. It is just
a matter of figuring out how to do it and then doing it.
: Another thing would also be great: if you guys make a "dictionary"
: where all the terms are explained from your point of view.
What you mean is a theological glossary of terms used in Unification
Theology. I think that would be useful for all interested in
Unification Teachings, whether they intend to learn them, adopt
them or critique them.
In fact, I have such a glossary compiled by Dr. Thomas Cromwell,
author of the book "Essentials of the Unification Principle". It
also has some interesting insights of the Unificationist view of
Islam. Since the glossary is 15 pages long and my scanner is not
working due to my SCSI card having died, then I will have to wait
until I get my scanner back online, and then I can provide this.
If I forget, please remind me.
: Tilman
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Feb 21 1996
Subject: Re: Moon brainwashes and cuts people off from their families
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: In <4gbpjg$qi2@usenet.kornet.nm.kr>, sgtimes@soback.kornet.nm.kr (SeKeo
: (kornet)) wrote:
: >Tilman continues to attack the Unification Church for separating
: >families when
: >in fact the Unification Church is doing a great deal to *reverse*the
: >break down in the family in industrialized countries, including Germany and
: >the United States. This has been explained to Tilman, but he doesn't want
: >to consider the evidence. So, I encouraged him to examine his
: >own relationship
: >to his family.
: I think you are confusing family in the general world, and family in the
: Moon world ("true family"). When the Moon organisation gets a person to
: separate from his biological family, to join the Moon family while
: completely breaking links to his past world, then it is sad for the
: "former" family.
The Unification Church does NOT encourage poeple to break ties with
their biological family. Of course, it is quite possible that people
will feel more affinity for their adopted family of faith than for
their natural birth family, particularly if that family was not so
pleasant, but Rev. Moon has even in recent years asked members to
go back to live in their home towns and rebuild the relationships
with their families. Have you heard of Rev. Moon's teaching on Home
Church, Tilman? That is a whole area of his teaching that I have
not even touched in my Web presentation.
And I agree with Tim that Rev. Moon has been one of the main
proponents of the family and a life of faith and virtue in the
midst of a prevailing environment of cultural decay and decadence.
He has been speaking this message in America since 1971, 25 years
now. The tide is turning, the people in the developed world are
coming to question the fruits of the sexual revolution, feminism,
homosexuality and sexual freedom and rediscovering the profound
and sacred value of the family. A sign of this is the resurgence
of conservatism, both in America and Europe.
: Tilman
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