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Unificationism on the Internet - Volume 13
00:17 Oct 31, 1995
Subject: Re: Why not just say "Moonie" (was Attack of the 50 foot...)
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Merchant of Chaos (peegee@newshost.li.net) wrote:
: Eric B. Richardson (richa011@maroon.tc.umn.edu) wrote:
: : Would you like to show a court case that it was decided that
: : the UC used mind control?
: The problem here is, quite simply, mind control is NOT against the law. It
: is not illegal, in the United States of America, to brainwash somebody,
: therefore, no court would have a reason to rule that the UC used
: mind control.
This whole issue of mind control is such baloney. If you are talking
about influencing people's minds, then the biggest and most damaging
influences on people's minds in America are Hollywood and Madison Avenue.
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01:00 Oct 31, 1995
Subject: Rev. Moon's teaching on the Holocaust
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Merchant of Chaos (peegee@newshost.li.net) wrote:
: Eric B. Richardson (richa011@maroon.tc.umn.edu) wrote:
: : No, Rev. Moon never blamed the Jews that died for their own deaths, nor
: : did he deny that Hitler was to blame, and in fact has called Hitler the
: : Anti-Christ.
: : It is you that have twisted it to mean so in your own mind.
: Eric, none of us can know what Moon really meant, because none of us have
: seen the speech in its entirety. Damian is still refusing to post it.
: And Steve Hassan is too afraid of a copyright lawsuit to post it
: himself. The only way to resolve this is to let us see the full speech,
: so none of it can be taken out of context.
I don't know of any one speech where I read this, but it is pretty
clear to me that Rev. Moon teaches that the Jewish people sinned
grievously by killing Jesus. The fact that Hitler killed 6 million
Jews was not the will of God. However, the law of indemnity or
karma is such that God could not protect them when they sinned
but had to allow Satan to attack them, just as in the Old Testament
times, when the people sinned, they were invaded by the Assyrians,
the Babylonians, or whoever. They were able to be recreated as
a nation only after paying the historical price for the sin of
their ancestors. The same principle applies to all peoples, not
only the Jewish people. I may come across a quote to this effect
as I study Rev. Moon's words regularly. If I find such a quote,
I will post it here. Until I have a large number of his speeches
in electronic format, I cannot do electronic searches on much text.
If America fails to do God's will and does something to deviate
dramatically from God's will, then God will be unable to prevent
Satan from rightly punishing the American people for their sin.
So, when Rev. Moon says that at the Last Judgement many people
will die, it does not imply that HE will kill them, but that they
will die because God's blessing will be removed from them and they
will fall under a curse. Rev. Moon is God's messenger, and if people
fail to recognize him and follow his teachings, their country will
decline. Look at the decline of America since the 1960's. It is
clear that America has lost its Godly heritage and is rapidly declining.
Only a spiritual and moral revolution such as what Rev. Moon proposes
can save this country from perishing entirely. The AIDS epidemic
shows every sign of being a vehicle for God's judgement. Those
who refuse to live a pure life will die of AIDS. Now is the time
of the Last Judgement, and we will either go towards creating Heaven
of Earth, if we choose, or we will perish in a hell of our own
making. The choice is for each of us to make. You have been warned.
: Please talk to Damian, and use whatever influence you have to convince
: him to post "Master Speaks."
I do not know which speech it is, and I have agreed with HSA Publications
not to publish Master Speaks because of their unreliablility. I
would however like to see speeches from that era retranslated and published.
And here is a quote from Rev. Moon about Master Speaks:
"How can we create unification? The way of unification is simple.
You heard how people tremble when they read in 'Master Speaks'
that I said we will conquer the world, but how could we possibly
do that? With bombs or fists? You say that we will use love, but
whose love? My love? I am a mortal man who may change, but the
love of God will not change. God is eternal and if the love of
God is burning in each individual's heart then we don't have to
worry about how the Unification Church will unify the world because
the love of God will do it."
Rev. Sun Myung Moon, "The Tradition of the Unification Church",
p 8, December 11, 1977, Belvedere, New York, Translator - Bo Hi Pak.
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01:19 Oct 31, 1995
Subject: The Last Judgement and Spiritual Revival
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Merchant of Chaos (peegee@newshost.li.net) wrote:
: So now you're saying I can't oppose you. Did you see my follow-up about
: the differences between the Catholic Church and the UC? I pointed out
: that Catholics are free to criticize and Moonies are not? Doesn't this
: kind of prove my point? Most religions welcome debate and discussion.
: Why do the Moonies have such a problem with those things?
Hey, are we not engaging in discussion with you? I welcome debate
and discussion and so does Rev. Moon. He spends huge quantities
of money to organize conferences for inter-religious dialogue while
our church buidings fall into disrepair. It clearly shows where
his priorities lie.
: : The God of True Love does not use force to change people. He uses love and
: : truth. Education.
: And what does the God of True Love do with those people who don't want to
: be changed? Who refuse to be changed? What happens to them, hmmm?
God has in the past brought judgement upon mankind. Remember the
flood, the deportation of the Jewish people in Babylon, the crusades
which should have showed the medieval church that it was on the
wrong track, communism, each of these have been God's way of exercising
judgement on His people. God allows such evils to exist so that
His people can finally repent and overcome them. Many people who
refuse to change will die of AIDS. There will be natural disasters
and all kinds of calamities, social upheaval, if people refuse
to change. The God of love is also a God of justice, and evil will
not exist forever. It will finally vanish from the face of the
earth. The evil potentates will be expelled. Look at the 1994
election! ;-)
: : Every mis-interpretation of religious people of the past that has
: : justified the aggressive use of force to accomplish religious goals, has
: : only sown the seeds for its own defeat. God has always had to pick up the
: : pieces afterwards and make do as best as he could.
: The problem is I am NOT GOING TO CHANGE unless you DO apply an
: aggressive use of force against me!!!
That will not be necessary. Rev. Moon will not use force. It
is not God's way. But there will be circumstances in people's lives
which will give them cause to reevaluate the kind of message that
Rev. Moon teaches. The current American culture is going to die,
through the weight of its own corruption. When people are faced
with increasing chaos in their lives, then just as the Prodigal
Son reassessed his life, so the people of this country will do
likewise and go back to their Father's house, of their OWN FREE WILL.
I predict that there will be a dramatic spiritual awakening in
America before the end of the decade, which is also the turn of
the century and the millennium. It will be even greater than the
social imapct of the decline of communism. This change in America
will affect the whole world, and will usher in a new culture of
the emerging world of the 21st century, the third millennium.
Mark my words.
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01:38 Oct 31, 1995
Subject: The laughable accusation of brainwashing
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Merchant of Chaos (peegee@newshost.li.net) wrote:
: Arun Malik (vri@tiac.net) wrote:
: This is a false assumption, based on a misunderstanding of how mind
: control works. The very purpose of the information all day long is to
: get your mind to just tune it all out! If you are paying attention to
: what is said, you might start to analyze it critically. The idea is for
: you to become bored, so you will drift into an hypnotic trance-like state,
: at which time you become *suggestible*. Once in this state, the
: information will seep into your head, without you even realizing what it is
: that you are learning. That's how the indocrtination works.
: : You give the UC a lot of credit for having a VERY effective
: : "indoctrination" process. Why is it so difficult to believe that a
: : quiet hour or two alone - in which you are NOT allowed to talk to
: : anyone else, would not be a carefully considered part of that
: : "indoctrination"?
: Like I said, it could be, under controlled conditions. Especially if the
: Moonie has already learned how to chant to themselves, in which case he
: or she will probably use the "quiet hour" to self-hypnotize him or
: herself with the chanting.
While you two learned gentlemen debate how Rev. Moon controls
people's minds, may I quote what he has to say on the subject?
Here we go:
"Why am I accused of brainwashing you? Simply because I have brought
the message with power so strong as to ignite a heavenly revolution
in the hearts of young people. Such a thing has never been seen
before and thus I am accused of brainwashing. How could I brainwash
you if I never met any of you when you first came to the movement?
There are many members in state centers and on MFTs all over the
nation who have never seen me. How could they be brainwashed without
even seeing me? Many people think that I am a dangerous hypnotist,
but this is contradicted by the fact that our members remain dedicated
for many years. If I had the power to hypnotize people without
them even seeing me then wouldn't I have already hypnotized all
the 4.5 billion people of the world?
My enemies want to stop me by spreading rumors and vicious
accusations, painting a grotesque picture about the work I am
doing. I do not have to go to 120 countries for this work to grow,
for even without my presence our movement is expanding in those
nations. Do you think a gun or even the atomic bomb could stop
our activities in those 120 nations?"
Rev. Sun Myung Moon, "The Spirit World and the Physical World", p 16,
February 6, 1977, Belvedere, New York, Translator - Bo Hi Pak.
Thus spake the Master :-)
: : |Arun Malik
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05:40 Nov 1, 1995
Subject: Is the Unification Church Christian?
On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, S. I. wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> Is the UC a denomination of Christianity, or a separate entity? IOW, do
> Unificationist consider themselves part of Christianity or not? Note
> that this question has nothing to do with the fact that Unificationists
> believe in Jesus and accept the Bible. Baha'is do also, but do not
> consider themselves Christians or a Christian denomination.
>
> Please reply directly to me since I might not read this newsgroup for
> some time.
Rev. Moon of course believes in the Bible and in Jesus, but is seen in
the role of True Parents, along with his wife, and as such, they are the
fulfilment of the expectations of all religions, not just Christianity.
So, in the same way as Jesus came to fulfil the messianic expectation of
Judaism, Rev. Moon comes to fulfil the Messianic expectation of
Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and so on. So, UC is NOT a denomination of
Christianity, but a religion on a new level. I hope this answers your
question.
God bless you.
>
> Thanks,
>
> S.I.
>
> ## True loss is for him whose days have been ##
> ## spent in utter ignorance of his self ##
>
> -* Baha'u'llah, Words of Wisdom #21 *-
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06:09 Nov 1, 1995
From damian@unification.netWed Nov 1 06:12:32 1995
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 06:11:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "Damian J. Anderson"
To: Eric Indiogine
Subject: Rev. Moon and Baha'u'llah
On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, S. Indiogine wrote:
> Thank you for such a quick reply.
>
> On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Damian J. Anderson wrote:
> [snip]
> > Rev. Moon of course believes in the Bible and in Jesus, but is seen in
> > the role of True Parents, along with his wife, and as such, they are the
> > fulfilment of the expectations of all religions, not just Christianity.
> > So, in the same way as Jesus came to fulfil the messianic expectation of
> > Judaism, Rev. Moon comes to fulfil the Messianic expectation of
> > Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and so on. So, UC is NOT a denomination of
> > Christianity, but a religion on a new level. I hope this answers your
> > question.
>
> Yes, actually it answers the question very well. Again I am impressed by
> the uncanny similarity of this statement of your's to the statements that
> Bahaullah made over 100 years ago. I would really appreciate some
> comments from you on this fact.
I would say that Baha'u'llah was a forerunner in the role of someone like
John the Baptist. His message was true and he could have even become the
one who fulfilled the messianic expectations of all religions, but he did
not achieve it in his lifetime, so it must be left for someone else to
accomplish.
Divine Principle teaches that Jesus came with the mission of Messiah, but
because his leading herald, John the Baptist, failed, then he had to take
on the role of proclaiming himself, in fact becoming his own forerunner
and spokesman. It is better for the Messiah to be proclaimed by someone
else, but Jesus was also a 'self-proclaimed Messiah' and people rejected
his claims for a variety of reasons.
Rev. Moon also was originally to take up the messianic mission directly,
but because those who were prepared to testify to him failed to do so, he
began the thankless task of proclaiming himself, and building his own
independent foundation separate from Christianity. The Second Coming
of Christ is supposed to occur on the foundation of Christianity, but
the Lord was rejected when he came, so he had to start again from
scratch. Jesus indicated that something like this may happen when he said:
"When the Son of Man comes, will he find any faith on earth?" Luke 18:8
and also
"But first he must suffer grievously and be rejected by this generation."
Luke 17:25
So, he also took on the role of forerunner to himself. Jesus told his
disciples NOT to reveal that he was the Messiah because his foundation of
support was not yet enough for people to receive it. Similarly, up to this
point, Rev. Moon's foundation was not sufficient until recently for this
annouincement. But since 1992, Rev. Sun Myung Moon and his wife have been
proclaiming themselves as the messianic couple, and that all mankind must
be reborn into their lineage which comes from God, by means of the
Blessing in marriage.
I read recently that Rev. Moon was asked back in 1965 about Baha'u'llah,
and he said that the man was a forerunner to the Messiah who is to come.
> Thank you very much.
You're welcome. As always, I will post an anonymized version of this on
Usenet. I appreciate your thoughtful questions.
> Bye,
>
> Eric Indiogine (sindiogi@nmsu.edu), Las Cruces, New Mexico
>
> ## True loss is for him whose days have been ##
> ## spent in utter ignorance of his self ##
>
> -* Baha'u'llah, Words of Wisdom #21 *-
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07:12 Nov 1, 1995
On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, B. C. wrote:
> Damian wrote on alt.religion.unif.:
>
> >I don't know of any one speech where I read this, but it is pretty
> >clear to me that Rev. Moon teaches that the Jewish people sinned
> >grievously by killing Jesus. The fact that Hitler killed 6 million
> >Jews was not the will of God. However, the law of indemnity or
> >karma is such that God could not protect them when they sinned
> >but had to allow Satan to attack them, just as in the Old Testament
> >times, when the people sinned, they were invaded by the Assyrians,
> >the Babylonians, or whoever. They were able to be recreated as
> >a nation only after paying the historical price for the sin of
> >their ancestors.
>
> B.C. responds:
>
> This antisemetic drivel is not Father's teaching. It is dangerous and
> destructive of interfaith dialogue with persons of the Jewish faith, and I
> believe it is innappropriate, indeed, outrageous, for you to be posting it
> as Father's view. While many of your postings are positive and accurate and
> serve to debunk myths about the UC, I believe you should consult with the
> Church and Father before espousing antisemetic views in Rev. Moon's name on
> the internet.
I'm sorry, my brother, but you will not gain anything in this discussion
by ad hominem attacks on me. The fact is that Father DID teach this. Here
is what he said, allowing that Master Speaks are considered unauthoritative
translations:
"By killing one man, Jesus, the Jewish people had to suffer for
2000 years. Countless numbers of people have been slaughtered.
During the Second World War, 6 million people were slaughtered
to cleanse all the sins of the Jewish people from the time of
Jesus." (MASTER SPEAKS 2/14/74)
Now I admit that I got the quote from Steve Hassan, and I would have to
look up the speech for myself to verify that he actually said this.
I would request that Tim Elder look up the original Korean of this speech
and tell us what he actually said, given his excellent knowledge of the
language.
> Andy Wilson and others have written at length on this issue and I believe
> you completely misrepresent the Church's view.
I am not interested in representing any politically correct "Church"
view, but what is the truth and what did Father teach?
> Father, for instance, has
> publicly stated that it was the failure of Christianity to unite with and
> protect the Jewish people which led to the Holocaust.
This may also be true, and of course, if Christians had fulfilled their
mission, Communism would not have come about either and hundreds of
millions more lives would have been saved.
But let's analyze the points that I made one by one and determine
which ones you disagree with:
Point (1)
>I don't know of any one speech where I read this, but it is pretty
>clear to me that Rev. Moon teaches that the Jewish people sinned
>grievously by killing Jesus.
Was it a sin to kill Jesus? Were the Jewish people responsible
for his death? May I remind you of the central value of the Messiah
to God's providence. Father has said in recent speeches that the
value of the Messiah is greater than that of all humanity. God
would be willing to give up the lives of all humanity for the sake
of His son. That is because the Kingdom of Heaven is not possible
without the Messiah, but it is possible without all those other people.
Here are some quotes from the Divine Principle:
"We must understand that when Jesus said the poor had good news
preached to them (Matt. 11:5), he was indicating his grief over the
disbelief of the Jewish people, and especially that of John the
Baptist. The chosen people of Israel, especially John, had been richly
blessed with divine love and care. Nevertheless, they betrayed Jesus,
and he was compelled to wander about the seacoast of Galilee through
the region of Samaria to search among the poor for those who would
listen to the Gospel."
Divine Principle, p. 160.
"Since God's will was thus to have the Israelites believe that
Jesus was the Messiah, the Israelites, who were supposed to live
according to God's will, should have believed in him as the Messiah.
If they had believed in Jesus as the Messiah according to God's will,
how could they have crucified him, after having waited for him for
such a long time? It was because, against God's will, they did not
believe that Jesus was the Messiah, that the Israelites crucified him.
We, therefore, must realize that Jesus did not come to die on the
cross."
D.P., p143.
"We have learned from our study of the Bible that the ignorance and
disbelief of John the Baptist brought about the disbelief of the
Jewish people, which finally compelled Jesus to take the way of
crucifixion."
D.P., p 163
Point (2)
>The fact that Hitler killed 6 million Jews was not the will of God.
"The Jesus-type personage on the Satanic side was Hitler." D.P., p. 488.
"Furthermore, Hitler massacred six million Jews." D.P., p 485
It does not explicitly state that it was against the will of God,
but that Hitler was acting on behalf of Satan and that he killed
6 million Jews. If you can come up with a better quote on this,
let me know.
Point (3)
>However, the law of indemnity or
>karma is such that God could not protect them when they sinned
>but had to allow Satan to attack them, just as in the Old Testament
>times, when the people sinned, they were invaded by the Assyrians,
>the Babylonians, or whoever.
The Old Testament is replete with examples of exactly this principle.
It is well elucidated in Jeremiah 18:5-11, and in the examples
of the 400 years slavery in Egypt, the Babylonian exile, the 40
years wandering in the desert, in each case, the suffering of one
generation was caused by the failure of their predecessors. To
give some DP quotes on that:
"The Northern Kingdom of Israel, due to the people's faithlessness, was
taken captive by Assyria. After that, the Southern Kingdom
of Judah, due to its faithlessness, was also taken captive by
Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylonia. "
D.P. pp 396-397.
The Divine Principle indicates that the nation of Israel lost its
position as the chosen nation in charge of God's heritage due to
the crucifixion of Jesus:
"On another occasion (Matt. 21:33-43), Jesus clearly indicated, in his
parable of the vineyard, that the Lord would not come again to the
nation that would persecute and kill him, but take the Kingdom of God
(the heritage) from them and give it to the nation producing the
fruits of it (at the time of the Second Advent). In this parable,
Jesus meant God, by the owner of the vineyard; God's heritage, by the
vineyard; the chosen nation of Israel in charge of God's heritage, by
the tenants; His prophets, by the servants; the Lord, by the owner's
son; and a certain other nation which will be able to fulfill God's
will in receiving and serving the Lord of the Second Advent, by
another nation producing the fruits."
D.P. p. 517.
>They were able to be recreated as
>a nation only after paying the historical price for the sin of
>their ancestors.
I cannot find a quote on this, but the Master Speaks quote does
address it. The fact is that the Jewish people committed a grievous
sin in rejecting the Lord, and the world is today committing a
grievous sin in rejecting the Lord. I will not water down what
Father said to please liberal constituencies within his own church.
I am sorry, but sometimes the truth hurts, but that is what Father
calls "medicine love" rather than "candy love". It is the love
that comes with bitter medicine that Father has to bring to America
and the world that will give us life, not all the warm fuzzy love.
I am posting this on a.r.u with your name removed.
Sincerely,
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07:21 Nov 3, 1995
Subject: Re: Moon, the anti-Semite
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Zvi the Fiddler (mail03662@pop.net) wrote:
: <>
I have been informed by several people that Rev. Moon issued a
statement on the Holocaust in 1976, and that I have in fact
misrepresented what he teaches on this subject. I don't know where
Steve Hassan got this quote, but I did not verify it, and that
was an error on my part. I received a copy of that statement in
the mail (snail) and I will scan and post the statement as soon
as I get the time.
: How interesting. So the Moonie leader (assumiong a correrct
: quotation) is an anti-Semite. Okay FECs, I'm waiting to hear
: you denounce him.
I have not been able to establish the authenticity of the quote.
: Zvi the Fiddler
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14:22 Nov 3, 1995
From laszlozw@ix.netcom.comFri Nov 3 14:25:13 1995
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:44:06 -0800
From: Laszlo Weress ,
Laszlo Weress
Reply to: one-world-com@webcom.com
To: one-world-com@mail.webcom.com, Dorje Carl
Subject: A note I got
You wrote:
>
>In article <470tfi$pgc@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> (Re: World Scripture -
>Loving-Kindness), you write:
>
>>In cbmanz@io.com (Dorje Carl)
>>writes:
>>
>>>
>>>In article ,
>>>"Damian J. Anderson" wrote:
>>>
>>>>LOVING-KINDNESS
>>>>
>>>> Texts on loving-kindness, compassion, and heart-felt love for
>>>>others fall into four groups. First we have general admonitions to kind
>>>>ness, benevolence, and gentleness....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work
>>>>damian@unification.net
>>>>Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>A quote, as published on Mr. Steve Hassan's web page in the section
>>>devoted to the 'Unification Church' -
>>>
>>>"Mr. Sun Myung Moon -
>>>
>>>"So from this time of peak every people or every organization that goes
>>> against the Unification Church will gradually come down or drastically
>>> come down and die. Many people will die
>>> those who do against our movement." (MASTER SPEAKS 2/14/74)"
>>>
>>>
>>>If anyone would like to know more about the Unification Church, see
>>Steve
>>>Hassan's web site that deals with cults in general and the U.C.
>>>specifically.
>>>
>>>http://virtumall.com/mindcontrol/main.html
>>>
>>>If you would like to acquire additional information about the Moon
>>cult or
>>>other destructive organizations, you may contact Steven Hassan, author
>>of
>>>Combatting Cult Mind Control (Park Street Press, 1988), by writing to
>>P.O.
>>>Box 686, Boston, MA 02258."
>>>
>>>FYI,
>>>DCarl
>>
>>Are you trying to be funny? Otherwise I see no reason why you would
>>post this on The Unififcationist Newsgroup!
>>
>>Hewwwwoooooo! Anybody's home????????????
>>_________________________
>>Laszlo Z. Weress
>>"Religion is for people who don't want to go to hell,
>>spirituality is for those who have been there..."
>>
>I am in no way trying to be funny. I am, at the least, trying to get
>Mr. Anderson to stop posting Unification Church propaganda to
>talk.religion.buddhism. His posts have nothing to do with Buddhism
>and he only posts 'his' nonsense there to attract potential members
>to U.C. He has been doing this for a VERY LONG TIME NOW. If you
>have any influence with Mr. Anderson, get him to stop.
>
>Dorje Carl
His post do ususally include buddhist as well as other passages from other
sacred texts. What he publishes are parts of a religious anthology collection,
not his own writing. It was assembled by over thirty theologians and religious
scholars--including 3 buddhists--trying to find the COMMON thread among
different belief systems.
I do not have any influence with Mr. Anderson, however he has my spiritual
support in his endavor in trying to bring all of us onto common ground. I will
not divulge the personal details, but that man has and is living a very saintly
and sacrificial life. He will not be detered by persecution, neither will I.
We Unificationists are the nuts, who thrive under persecution.
Talk about unsolicited postings; I did not send a personal posting to you, I
had answered one of your cross-post responses concerning Mr. Anderson. Your
inclusion of the Newsgroup post is an unsolicited repetition. Why send a
Unificationist information on where they are being bashed? To rub salt into
wounds? This is definetly not the attitide of Buddhists I know, and I know a
few.
_____________________________________
--
Laszlo Z. Weress
"Religion is for people who don't want to go to hell,
spirituality is for those who have been there..."