Responses to Questions on
Unificationism on the Internet - Volume 5
Aug 2 1995
Subject: Janet Reno should be in Jail
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Kevin W Davidson (soft-logik@cup.portal.com) wrote:
: Hi, B.
: Reality check. The Davidians could have walked out the door of their
: compound at any time with no bloodshed. But they didn't. They could
: have let the feds in when the original warrant was served; but they
: killed people instead. And if they had any sense at all, they wouldn't
: have kept their hunting rifles loaded, with children around.
The US government murdered the people at WACO and I think Janet
Reno ought to be in jail by now. She gassed innocent people, in
an enclosed space, including children too young to wear a gas mask,
with a chemical that is banned for use against enemy soldiers in
the open air. She gassed them for SIX HOURS!!
There was no due process to verify that anyone in there was guilty
of any charges. If we look at the situation of Rodney King, he
became a millionaire even though is was a brutal thug while the
Branch Davidians died. Look at what happened to the police officer
Stacy Koon. He was tried twice over the same charges so that they
could get a conviction. That is double jeopardy and illegal. There
is clearly a DOUBLE STANDARD here.
: Kevin (soft-logik@cup.portal.com)
Blessings, ITPN,
Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net
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Aug 2 1995
Subject: Re: Who are the two witnesses of Revelation - JWs
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rubbur@delphi.com wrote:
:
: Anyone have any comments on Revelation 11th chapter
: and the two witnesses.
:
: Just curious!
:
: Rubbur
Yes, they are the True Parents, the Christ and his Bride who appear
in the last days, the model for a man and a woman and the ones
who will bring about the last judgment. They are now on the Earth.
They will bring baout the unification of all religions and all
peoples and bring peace to the world.
They will establish a lineage and a family which will fill the
world and God's Kingdom shall be established by them on the Earth,
which will never end.
Blessings, ITPN,
Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net
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Aug 3 1995
Subject: Re: Janet Reno should be in Jail
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Solitary Bird (bfunk@sundown.sdsu.edu) wrote:
: In article <3vnqut$o4q@news.cais.com>
: damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian J. Anderson) writes:
: > look at the situation of Rodney King, he
: > became a millionaire even though is was a brutal thug while the
: > Branch Davidians died.
: Yes they died, for resisting arrest, like King did, AND for killing 4
: men (which King didn't do). But they died mostly because they trusted a
: man who apparently was not up to carrieing that burden. I have no
: problem with what David did, for himself! For any adults capable of
: making that choice with him.
Excuse me, but those officers were killed in self-defense. If you
have an army of 100 or so armed federal agents coming to your house
shooting, do you not have a right to defend yourself? This is PRECISELY
why we have a second amendment to the constutution, to have an
armed citizenry to protect against this form of flagrant governement
abuse of power.
: BUT his inability to responsibly care for his little charges and
: instead take them needlessly into HIS battle was wrong. David will be
: judged for that. For he kept those children and women (and some men I
: believe) there to protect him from harm. A cowerdly act, and in the end
: a deadly act!
Even if he was not acting responsibly to protect those young lives,
does that excuse what the government did? He was a suspect in a
crime, they were innocent bystanders, trapped in the crossfire.
Heads need to roll at ATF and FBI for this fiasco.
Those children may well have been dead from 6 hours of gassing
before the fire even started. For your information, CS gas is known
to start fires, it is recommended not to be used in enclosed spaces,
and it is banned for use in war by international treaty yet we
use it on civilians. Hey, are we descending to the level of Saddam
Hussein who gassed the Kurds among his own people?
: brian
Blessings, ITPN,
Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net
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Aug 3 1995
On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Thitipon Satthaporn wrote:
> Dear Damian,
>
> > Can you get Unification materials in Thai language? Is there a character
> > set to represent you language electronically? I know that it has an
> > unusual alphabet, like Sanskrit isn't it?
>
> Yes, I can get thai lang. materials if they are available.
> Thai lang. document requires 8 bit system of UUENCODE for 7 bit system.
This is great. As soon as you can, send me materials in Thai and I will
make a Thai Home Page. Also, if you have a photo of yourself, please send
me a GIF electronically or mail me a photo that I can scan. Then I will
set you up a personal Home Page so that people can know you and contact
you as the author of the page. I am doing the same with Koji Murata with
Japanese texts.
> > There are many second generation people going to Blessing '95. Most of
> > the older members are already blessed. It has been very hard for us in
> > America to get new members to go to the Blessing, but we keep trying.
>
> I will join the blessing too. :) Hmm... I wonder why it is hard
> to get new member in US ?. I think True Parent and UC are very famous in
> US, ain't they ?.
Yes, True Parents are very famous in the USA but America has forgotten God.
> The hardest things for Thai and Philipines members is economic problem.
> We keep trying also .. :)
In America, people are so wealthy that they do not have any idea of the
poverty of the rest of the world. Even the so called poor people have
color TVs and have enough to eat, hot running water and air conditioning.
Where I live, the AVERAGE household income is $66,000 per year. That was
a few years ago. We can at least use our wealth to serve the world, but
it is so very hard to get people to listen to a message about God.
Oh well, Jesus was right when he said "The last shall be first, and the
first shall be last."
However, I must say that it is on the basis of the victory in America
with WFWP that Father was able to go to South America. Representatives of
both the political world (George Bush, William Bennett, Barbara Walters)
and the religious world (Jerry Falwell, and others) united with True
Parents through participating in the WFWP conferences, and as a result,
the providence could go to the next level, to the North and South
American continent level, so Father went to South America. There, he was
VERY warmly received by the political leaders in a triumphant 16 country
tour in June and July, 1995.
But in terms of getting people to the Blessing, it has been very much an
uphill struggle.
> ITPN,
> Pon..
Blessings, ITPN,
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Aug 4 1995
To: jecorren@carpa.ciagri.usp.br (Jose E. Corrente)
Subject: Re: Multilingual Unification Home Pages
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In article <3vt62t$bh3@bee.uspnet.usp.br> Jose E. Corrente (jecorren@carpa.ciagri.usp.br) wrote:
: Damian J. Anderson (damian@cais3.cais.com) wrote:
: : WHAT'S NEW ON THE UNIFICATION HOME PAGE?
: : RESOURCES OF THE WORLDWIDE UNIFICATION COMMUNITY ON THE INTERNET
: : Unification teachings are available on the Internet in the following
: : languages:
: : COMING SOON ON THE UNIFICATION HOME PAGE
: : I expect to add the following languages shortly as I find
: : collaborators speaking those languages:
: : * Portugese (Português),
Boa noite, Jose,
Vejo que você via meu anúncio sobre talk.religion.misc. Você
necessita alguma coisa?
Blessings, ITPN,
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Aug 8 1995
Subject: Re: Rév. Sun Myung Moon - 1 de 3 - L'histoire de la Providence
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George Petryk (geo@clic1.qbc.clic.net) wrote:
: : Bla, bla, bla...
: : >En ce moment, le monde communiste et le monde libre s'affrontent. Quel
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: En toute sincerite, si la fin du communisme=ere de paix et d'abondance, vous
: vivez sur une autre planete.
: Pensez a ceci: Bosnie, Rwanda, famine (Soudan, Ethiopie), pauvrete qui
: s'accentue chez nous, chomage, dette nationale tres lourde, drogue et
: violence (a la hausse, ex.: saviez-vous qu'au Canada, 1 femme sur 4 sera
: victime d'acte de violence de la part de son conjoint au cour de sa vie ?),
: pornographie de plus en plus deviante, etc..., etc....
: Je crois que durant la guerre froide et surtout l'ere Reagan
: (communiste=empire du mal), on a porte notre regard sur le communisme au
: point tel qu'aujourd'hui, apres la chute de ce systeme, on se retrouve
: devant la desolation du monde capitaliste. En plus de la corrosion
: systematique des valeurs traditionelles occidentales, il y a l'inhabilete
: a les promouvoir soit chez nous, soit ailleurs. Les exemples ne manquent
: pas.
Le monde occidentale a oublié Dieu et tombe dans l'abîme. Il va
atteindre la prospérité et la paix seulement en suivant les commandments
de Dieu et pas par suivant la foi du monde matérialiste, la confiance
en le pouvoir, le sexe, le confort, l'argent. Il n'y a aucun
espoir pour le monde de l'Ouest sans Dieu. Les anciens communistes
savent que le sytème de communisme ne marche pas, mais l'Ouest
n'a pas encore compris que l'idéologie seculaire du fin du vingtième
siecle et sans espoir aussi.
: : >est le côté le plus agressif et destructeur ? Quel côté prend
: : >l'initiative ? D'après la loi universelle du Principe, les communistes
: : >vont-ils être les ultimes vainqueurs ?
: : >Jusqu'où Satan peut-il aller ? C'est d'un grand intérêt pour nous. Les
: : >communistes ne peuvent pas prendre plus des deux tiers du monde.
: : Bla, bla, bla...
Les commuistes étaient dans la position de ennemi de Dieu, mais
plusiers ont répenti et suivent aujourd'hui une autre direction.
"Le dernier sera le premier, et le premier sera le dernier." L'ancien
Pres. Mikhail Gorbachev et le défunt Pres. Kim Il Sung ont tous
les deux rencontré Rév. Moon et accepté ses idxe9es. Les dirigeants
du monde reconnaissent ses contributions à la paix et à élever
le niveua moral et spirituel de la jeunesse. Pres. George Bush
a récemment parlé devant un réunion organizé par Rév. Moon et
continue de le faire.
: : Eh Damian, il est en retard sur l'actualite ton gourou. Le mur est tombe en
: : 1989. C'est completement depasse le mythe du mechant communiste satanique qui
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Voir ma reponse precedente.
: : veut prendre le controle de l'univers.
: : Mais comment un cerveau humain peut-il se degrader au point d'adherer a tout
: : ce delire mooniste??? Avez-vous lu le reste? Incroyable!!! Un tissu de delire
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Non, c'etait trop long. :)
Tu me moque, mon frère, mais le Jour de Jugement approche.
: : -------------------------
: : Gilles Bourbonnais
: : bourbong@vm1.ulaval.ca
: : Quebec
: : -------------------------
: --
: George Petryk
: geo@qbc.clic.net
Blessings, ITPN,
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Aug 8 1995
Subject: Unification Home Page in Japanese
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Keywords: Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Unification Church, Japanese
I am pleased to announce the creation of a Unification Church
Home Page in Japanese. It has information on the upcoming Blessing '95,
the wedding of 360,000 couples scheduled to be held in Seoul,
Korea on August 5, 1995 at 10:00 am local time. It also has information
on Unification teachings and will continue to grow over the next
few days and months. It is written in Japanese JIS encoding.
The URL is:
http://www.unification.net/japanese/
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Aug 10 1995
Subject: Re: The International Unification Church
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De Repentigny Yves (derepeny@ERE.UMontreal.CA) wrote:
: damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian J. Anderson) writes:
: >Peter Vorobieff (pv02@lehigh.edu) wrote:
: >: In article <3vv4mv$4sv@news.cais.com>,
: >: damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian J. Anderson) wrote:
: >: >There are several reasons for the popularity of the Unification
: >: >Church in the former East Bloc:
: >: >
: >: > * The Unification Church has always been strongly against communism
: >: > even when it was not popular to be so in the West.
: >: [snip]
: >: Moonies have NO popularity here. Go away, cultist.
: >Clearly your mother never taught you any manners.
: Neither did yours! Stop posting your propaganda on soc.culture groups and
: stick to religion groups, for God's (sic) sake!
: --
: Yves de Repentigny
Do you not think that religion is not a legitimate part of culture?
The cultures of the world are based on the major world's religions.
You see the Western world based predominantly on Christinity. In
particular, the culture of North America is founded on Protestantism,
the culture of South America is founded on Catholicism, Northern
Europe on Protestantism and Southern Europe on Catholicism, Asia
on Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, in Japan Shintoism and Buddhism,
Islam in the Middle East. It is very short sighted to say that
religion is not important to culture. Indeed, I believe that it
is the central and pivotal aspect of culture.
And religious education looks like propaganda to the secularist,
just as AIDS and pro-gay education looks like propaganda to the Christian.
Blessings, ITPN,
Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net
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Aug 15 1995
Subject: Re: MOON WALK...?
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Chris ROSSEEL (cfgr@innet.be) wrote:
: odmeyere@window.hookon.be (Oliver De Meyere) wrote:
: >Misschien een mailtje naar de systeem-beheerders van de provider die de
: >verzender gebruikt? Deze dan ook massaal ;)
: Heb ik gedaan met volgend bericht:
: FORMAL COMPLAINT AGAINST THE PROPAGANDA POSTED
: FROM MR DAMIAN J. INTO THE SOC.CULTURE.BE NEWSGROUP.
: THIS POSTED ARTICLES ARE PROPAGANDA DATED 1979!!!!
: AND DEFINED AS SUCH BECAUSE NO DIALOG IS POSSIBLE ABOUT
: THE CONTENTS OF THE ARTICLES.
Dialogue is entirely possible, it is just that you have not chosen
the path of dialogue, but that of demagoguery and attempting to
shut me up. You will certainly fail in that attempt as I have other
accounts to use even if you were to shut down my server.
If you have something constructive to say about the content of
my posts, say it. But if all you want to do is hurl insults and
attempt to gag me, sorry, but the Internet is a haven of free speech.
You will just have to take your totalitarian attitudes elsewhere.
Besides, what consititutes propaganda as opposed to educational
material? If you don't like the material, kill-file it. It is not
hurting you. It seems like you just cannot stand that someone
can think something different from you or from the secular hedonistic
status quo and get away with it.
Also, don't miss the BIG WEDDING. Rev. Sun Myung Moon will marry
360,000 couples in a ceremony held in Seoul, Korea on Friday, August
25, 1995 10:00 am local time. Participants will take part all over
the world by satellite link. This is a wedding with three quarters
of a million participants and the next one in 1998 will be 4 MILLION
couples. Don't think that this is a tiny minority group any more.
Rev. Moon has the moral authority that no other world leader has.
: IF NOTHING IS DONE... WE WILL TRY TO SHUT DOWN ALL ACTIVITY
: FROM YOUR SERVER BY ALL MEANS POSSIBLE.
Go ahead! Make my day!
: ON BEHALF OF ALL READERS OF SOC.CULTURE.BELGIUM
: (NO REPLY IS NEEDED: JUST STOP THE PROPAGANDA!!!!)
: En nu maar hopen dat het help...?
: >Oliver
: Chris
Blessings, ITPN,
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Aug 15 1995
Subject: Re: Rév. Sun Myung Moon - 1 de 2 - Sachons Qui Nous Sommes
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Denis Beauregard (beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca) wrote:
: In article <40eucn$qn1@news.cais.com> damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian
: J. Anderson) writes:
: >
: > Sachons Qui Nous Sommes
: > par Révérend Sun Myung Moon
: >
: > 30 Septembre, 1979 - Tarrytown, New-York
: Avez-vous remarque que tous ces machins sont dates des annees 1970?
: C'est dans les annees 1980 que Moon a probablement ete arrete parce
: qu'il ne payait pas impots sur les millions qu'il empochait avec
: sa religion de salon...
Non, il est tres active ces jours-ci, et va faire un grande conference
pour la paix mondiale en Coree ce mois avec 40 anciens chefs d'etat. Il va
aussi faire un grande mariage de 360,000 couples, le 25 Aout. Il
a recemment complet un voyage a l'Amerique Latine et a recontre
8 chefs d'etat. Il a achete des millions de hectares de terre en
Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil et Uruguay. Il a recontre plusiers
fois avec Mikhail Gorbachev, et meme Pres. Kim Il Sung de Coree de Nord
avant de sa mort, l'annee dernier.
J'ai des discours de Rev. Moon de 1995 et 1994, mais pas encore en francais.
: Pour ceux qui ne sont pas habitues, la chaine a entrer dans la
: kill file est:
: /Damian J\. Anderson/aj
Merci. Alors maintenant, si quelqu'un ne veut pas lire ce que j'ecris,
il peut me mette dans son killfile.
: Et si vous voulez vous plaindre, il faut ecrire a postmaster@cais.com.
: Vous ne devez surtout pas vous plaindre de la religion Mooniste
: (i.e. le contenu), mais uniquement de la pertinence de messages
: religieux de propagande (c'est de la propagande car l'expediteur ne
: repond jamais aux questions sur le contenu) dans un groupe non
: approprie.
Il n'y avait pas des questions sur le contenu de mes articles, seulement
les insultes contre l'homme, Rev. Moon, et moi. Si vous avez des questions
sur le contenu, disez les!
Et il y a beaucoup plus d'informations sur la pensee et les activites de
L'Eglise de Unification sur mon Home Page en 7 langues. J'en ai
ecrit seulement trois.
: Ce message represente uniquement l'opinion de son auteur et
: n'engage en aucune facon son employeur.
: Denis Beauregard Internet: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
: Genealogie quebecoise?
: http://www.ireq.ca/personnel/beaurega/geneal/index.html
Blessings, ITPN,
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Aug 17 1995
Subject: Re: Blood on the Moon
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David Deharbe (deharbe+@GS144.SP.CS.CMU.EDU) wrote:
: Et si, pour nous informer, quelqu'un
: decide de rendre public des messages prives qui sont explicitement
: menacant, je suis pour.
Je n'ai jamais révélé des messages privés SAUF ceux qui sont
explicitement menaçants, injurieux ou instultants. Et je ne me
sent obligxe9e de maintenir la confiance de ceux qui aiment insulter,
déprécier, et utilizer la langage du ruisseau.
: David.
: --
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Aug 17 1995
Subject: Re: MOON WALK...?
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Luc Bauwens (bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
: Jeeze, the moonie jerk is now playing the victim. One cannot help but see
: his attempt as somewhat disingenuous. Nobody is trying to shut him up.
: Merely to redirect him to places where his talk belongs. Merely trying to
: remind him that there are rules of civilized behavior that he is
: refusing to recognize.
I posted articles of a religious nature in french in culture newsgroups
of Francophone countries. I don't see how that is off topic at all.
If you are objecting to the content, that is too bad.
: THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THERE IS NO SUCH A THING AS MR DAMIAN'S RIGHT
: TO INVADE MY DISKS IF I OBJECT TO THIS. It's not an issue of free speech
: at all.
I am not invading your disk any more than any other post on this
newsgroup. What are you complaining about? Is there a size limit
on how much one person can post? What "law" am I supposed to
have broken?
: We should be sending him (and his roque service provider, cais.com) bills
: for space that he has invaded without authorization on people's disk.
What nonsense!
: The rationale being that any site that receives a given newsgroup has
: accepted to receive postings to that newsgroup *provided that they fit
: within the charter of the newsgroup*.
: The moonie jerk's posting may belong on some of the religion and
: cults newsgroups, but they are *unarguably* off charter on the soc.culture
: such as soc.culture.belgium newsgroups.
Tell me in what way discussion of religion is off topic in a culture
newsgroup. You have yet to address even once the content of my
posts. You merely attack the messenger.
: Thus, I think we have grounds to go against his service provider,
: who so far has been playing deaf to everybody's complaint.
: Anybody cares to join a class action suit against cais.com and the moonies?
Ha! Ha! A class action lawsuit! What would the charge be? Preaching
without a license? :-)
: Luc B.
: Luc Bauwens bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca
: The University of Calgary, Department of Mechanical Engineering
: Phone: (403) 220 5792 Fax: (403) 282 8406
: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~bauwens/
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Aug 19 1995
Subject: Re: Moonies based at cais.com taking over French speaking newsgroups
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Luc Bauwens (bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
: On cais.com unwillingness to do anything about the moonies whom they are
: harboring and are in the process of posting the French translation of
: the writings of moon:
: I have reason to believe the Moonies are threatening cais.com with
: a lawsuit if their guy were yanked from their system.
: And that cais.com is balking at the expenses.
This is all a fantasy on your part. There is no factual basis in
this whatsoever. Where is your evidence?
: And they are serving us platitudes about freedom of speech as an excuse.
For you, maybe freedom of speech is merely a platitide, but in
the USA, we take it very seriously.
: Meanwhile, the moonies seem to have stolen anywhere between 30-50% of the
: bandwidth on some of these newsgroups :-(.
Nobody has stolen anything from you. What poppycock! An article
which appears in one newsgroup takes up no more bandwidth if cross-posted
in another group, providing it is the same copy. The articles appeared
in the following groups.
talk.religion.misc
alt.religion.christian
soc.culture.french
soc.culture.quebec
soc.culture.belgium
Would a discussion on religion in French be out of place in any
one of those newgroups? If you want discussion, I will give you
discussion.
And WHO are these "MOONIES" that you are talking about. Is there
a whole army of us?
: With probably another 10-20% of the bandwidth discussing the issue.
Well, maybe it is a good thing to discuss issues related to religion.
Where are the newsgroups for discussion of religion in French?
The soc.culture groups are the closest thing that I could find.
Talk.religion.misc is almost exclusively English speaking. And
I will gladly take this discussion into French, if that makes you
feel better.
: Luc
: --
: Luc Bauwens bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca
: The University of Calgary, Department of Mechanical Engineering
: Phone: (403) 220 5792 Fax: (403) 282 8406
: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~bauwens/
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Aug 19 1995
Subject: Re: World Scripture - Hypocrisy
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Jerzy Tarasiuk (jt@fuw.edu.pl) wrote:
: >>>>> "D" == Damian J Anderson writes:
: D> It certainly is a turn off when preachers do not practice what they preach.
: D> But Rev. Sun Myung Moon is a very hard working man who lives an
: D> exemplary life. Having watched him for 18 years, I can say
: Seems Moon was sentenced for 18 months in prison because he deceived
: tax office and didn't pay taxes? And he preaches theft is wrong...
No, he was sentenced to 18 months in a US prison for doing exactly
what the leaders of many other faiths do, such as the Roman Catholic
Church. That is, he kept church assets in his own name. The RC
Church amd many other religious organizations filed amicus briefs
in Rev. Moon's favor, because they saw the US government attack
on him as a potential threat to them too. The money in question
was not used for personal use but for the ministry of the church
and yet the government claimed that it was his and therefore he
had to pay taxes on it. If this was the case, they could have sent
him a bill and asked him to pay back taxes, penalties and interest.
But they were not interest in justice but in blood.
It is interesting to note that Presidents Bush and Clinton since
then have at some time owed more money in taxes to the US Treasury
than was in question with Rev. Moon, namely $12,000. And at a time
when Rev. Moon brought BILLIONS of dollars into the USA to further
his ministry, what possible motive could he have for avoiding a
measly $12K? Was there ever any attempt to prosecute either of
these Presidents? No, because owing back taxes is not usually even
a criminal matter. But the IRS has been used in the USA in the
recent past as a tool to harass innocent people when there is no
basis in the law to get them for anything else.
Talk about hypocrisy!
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Aug 19 1995
Subject: Re: Multilingual Unification Home Pages
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Denis Beauregard (beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca) wrote:
: In article <407d8l$pi3@news.cais.com> damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian
: J. Anderson) writes:
: >From: damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian J. Anderson)
: >Subject: Re: Multilingual Unification Home Pages
: >Date: 8 Aug 1995 10:11:33 GMT
: >sadahiro Kurita (uy4s-krt@asahinet.or.jp) wrote:
: >: cult should be gone forever!
: >Sorry, buddy. Wishing isn't going to do it. We're here to stay, and grow.
: Actually not. Moonism is based only on giving your mooney to Moon
: (so the name). When moon will die, so will do the moonism with him.
You speak from your profound ignorance. Would you like to know
what Rev. Moon really stands for, or are you just interested in
strutting around and displaying your ignorance for the whole world
to see? I have been working with Rev. Moon for 18 years and know
just a little bit more about what he stands for than you do.
: You failed yet to enter into any debate about your pages.
Well, here I am. If you want to debate, go ahead. If you have serious
questions, I will do my best to answer them. But if the questions
are of the genre "Does Rev. Moon still brainwash people?", on a
par with "When did you stop beating your wife?", then I will conclude
that you are not serious and just like to hear the sound of your
own voice.
: Any of your
: interventions were to small sentences like that, with no substance.
: You systematically don't answer to any debate, you know why?
I know the reasons for my actions a whole lot better than you do,
and I am not in the least afraid of debate.
: Because you don't believe yourself into what you write. You
: learned it, you can repeat it. You can even write more similar
: pages with similar material. But you don't believe in it.
I am not the ignoramus that you think I am. I have 4 college degrees,
three of them post graduate, in Mathematics, Computer Science and
Religious Education. I make a very comfortable living as a computer
consultant. Check out my resume on my Home Page.
: If you were, you would find out that God gave to nobody on the
: whole earth the right to speak about him and to do so as a
: business.
Rev. Moon does not take payment for his work as a religious teacher,
and neither do I. I invest my OWN MONEY in my ministry and do not
earn a dime through it, and have no intentions of making money
through it. I don't even need the money.
: Just read the bible: Jesus put out of the Temple
: all the Merchants. Religion is not a business and from the
: first moment some religion asks for money, this religion
: is no more a religion. It is a business.
Did you ever once hear me ask for money in any of my posts? Did
you read any of Rev. Moon's words that I posted where he asks for
money? If so, quote me chapter and verse and we can talk about
it. If not, you are full of hot air.
: So, God for sale? No thanks...
God does not need money, power, or knowledge. He has all those things.
He needs only love.
Blessings, ITPN,
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Aug 19 1995
Subject: Re: Riv. Sun Myung Moon - 1 de 2 - LE JOUR OU NOUS RECEVONS LA BENEDICTI
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Jean-Michel Mangen (jma@elec.rma.ac.be) wrote:
: Renaud Dreyer (rdreyer@math.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: : In article <40d1re$geo@edf3.der.edf.fr> Michele Morin
: : writes:
: : Nous avons ete plusieurs a nous plaindre a son postmaster. Certains ont
: : recu des reponses evasives... moi, je n'en ai pas encore.
: : Son postmaster ( wa3pxx@CAIS.COM) refuse de faire quoique ce soit, car
: : c'est un "paying customer", "and anyways he would go to our
: : competitors."...
: : Quoi faire ?
: Continuer a se plaindre aupres de son postmaster (noc@cais.com).
: Si celui-ci refuse de faire quoi que ce soit, vous pouvez essayer de
: contacter le postmaster du domaine qui donne l'acces a cais.com
: (dns-admin@icp.net). Celui-ci prendra alors contact avec le postmaster de
: cais.com. S'il accepte qu'il s'agit d'un mauvais usage et que le postmaster
: de cais.com refuse de [convaincre|supprimer l'acces] a son utilisateur,
: je *crois* qu'il peut aller en dernier recours jusqu'a supprimer l'acces
: internet du domaine.
Vous utilisez les tactiques totalitaires de me taire, mais ça ne
marcherait pas. Même si je perds mon compte a CAIS, je peux obtenir
un autre d'ailleurs, et vite. Il y a BEAUCOUP de competition ici
pour fournir l'accès sur Internet. Le problème est que vous voulez
me taire, et ne voulez pas addresser les issues que j'amene au group.
Par exemple, pourquoi est la religion PRESQUE MORTE en France,
et les pays Francophones? Pourquoi sont les français si incroyablement
négatifs au Rev. Moon? Est-ce qu'il y a un lien? Quel crime a't il
commis de mériter quel traitement? Ainsi étaient les prophètes
traités en temps anciens! Et Jésus était crucifié par des gens
qui étaient ABSOLUMENT SURS qu'ils avaient droits! Le Seigneur
de tout qui existe n'était pas trés plaisi avec eux.
: Une autre personne que vous pouvez contacter est news@news.sprintlink.net
: (Je ne fais que supposer que l'utilisateur news existe; sinon, contactez
: le postmaster), qui recoit le feed de news.cais.com.
Ils savent déjà. Quel crime ai-je commis? Répondez-moi! J'ai
défié le status quo de atheisme sur ce group. N'y a-t-il pas même
UN CRÉTIEN qui lise ce groupe? VOUS DEVEZ AVOIR HONTE DE VOUS-MÊMES!
: P.S. Ne vous plaignez pas du contenu (qui est libre, puisque le groupe
: n'est pas modere), mais de la forme:
: 1/ il existe d'autres groupes plus appropries pour ce sujet.
: (alt.religion.*, talk.religion.*). Si aucun de ces groupes ne lui
: parait interessant, il peut toujours proposer la creation d'un
: groupe alt.religion.moon :)
Ce n'est pas vrai. Il n'y a pas les groupes pour la discussion
de la religion en français. Alt.religion.* et talk.religion.*
sont toutes en anglais. Et je ne m'interesse pas en créer un autre
division mais de parler avec les gens qui s'interesse en religion,
et qui parle le français et pas l'anglais. Il y'a BEAUCOUP de gens en
France qui ne parlent pas de tout bien l'anglais. Je sais parce que
j'ai habité en France, pendant 1977-1978. J'ai même des amis
maintenant en France qui préferent de parler en français, parce que
ils ne parlent pas bien l'anglais.
: 2/ a titre d'information, sur la periode du 3 au 16 aout, le groupe
: soc.culture.belgium contient 58 articles dont le sujet contient "Moon"
: soit 738 K sur un total de 2,6 MB pour la meme periode (environ 30%).
: Qu'une personne bombarde ces groupes, en occupant 30% de l'espace disque
: me semble effectivement indiquer un abus.
Voilà, j'ai ecrit beaucoup! Est-ce que c'est en violation des règles?
Si c'est vrai, dites moi lequel!
: Jean-Michel Mangen
: Royal Military Academy #include
: Electrical Department
: Signal and Image processing Center
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Aug 19 1995
Subject: Re: Riv. Sun Myung Moon - 1 de 5 - Indemniti Totale
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michel.hoffmann@infoboard.be wrote:
: Alors, voila ce que papa Moon nous apprend dans son dernier
: preche. Je me permets un petit resume (ce qui vous evitera
: l'assoupissement definitf), ainsi qu'une exegese personnelle.
: Citons le bien-aime reverend :
: >Si le monde avait iti centri sur l'amour de Dieu dhs le
: >commencement, non seulement le commencement aurait iti idial,
: >mais aussi la direction et le risultat final.
: Au debut, tout le monde il devait etre beau tout le monde il
: devait etre gentil. Ca commence doucement.
C'est un position chrétien, que l'homme est chuté de la grace de
Dieu et du Paradis, du Jardin d'Eden.
: >L'idial de Dieu fut anianti par la chute. Comment l'humaniti
: >a-t-elle chuti ? Par l'amour.
: Alors, la, on ne comprend plus bien : l'amour est l'ideal, mais
: c'est aussi la cause de la chute de l'humanite? En fait, papa
: Moon parle ici de l'amour physique (pouah!).
Oui. Il n'y a pas de contradiction. L'amour VRAI est l'idéal. L'amour
FAUX est la cause de tout la souffrance de l'humanité dès que
l'aube de l'histoire humain. Il ne parle pas de l'amour physique.
En fait, il enseigne que le commencement du Royaume de Dieu est
en le mariage d'un homme est d'une femme qui ont atteints l'amour
idéal, spirituel et physique. Ce couple s'appele les Vrais Parents.
C'était la mission de Jésus d'atteindre l'amour parfait dans la
famille avec une femme et des enfants, et dans le monde, pas seulement
comme un homme seul. Il n'a pas fait ça parce que les gens de son
temps ne le comprenaient pas, et ne croyaient pas en lui.
: >A cause de cela, tout doit jtre restauri ou recrii.
: Aie, on est dans une merde noire. Comment allons-nous nous en sortir?
L'homme déchu à besoin absolument du Messie, afin de sortir du
péché. Il ne peut pas se restaurer sans le Messsie qui vient dans
les Derniers Jours. Ces jours-ci sont les Derniers Jours du monde
du mal et le Jour du Jugement arrive.
: >Satan est lii au monde de l'amour en s'appuyant sur la puissance
: >extirieure tandis que Dieu est lii a l'amour par la puissance
: >intirieure.
: Heureusement, papa Moon a l'explication : pour la comprendre,
: relisez la phrase precedente plusieurs fois, jusqu'a ce que vous
: ayez compris (bonne chance!).
La puissance de Dieu reste dans l'âme de l'homme. La puissance
de Satan reste dans le corps de l'homme, et dans ses appétits
pour le sexe, la nourriture, le sommeil et le confort.
: >L'homme est icarteli entre deux directions diffirentes...
: Consequence de la precedente, l'homme est ecartele entre Dieu et
: Satan. Comment s'en sortir? Le suspense est intolerable!
Oui. Tous les hommes sont écartele entre Dieu et Satan, et on peut s'en
sortir par la DISCIPLINE DU CORPS PHYSIQUE, d'avoir dominion sur
son propre corps, et pas d'être dominé par le corps. En cela, on
trouve le but de toutes les religions, la discipline du corps.
Dès qu'on trouve la victoire dans la bataille de la discipline de
soi, on trouve la paix profond en soi-même et le commencement du
paradis dans sa vie. À ce moment là, Dieu peut être présent
dans sa vie. Il ne peut pas demeurer sauf dans un endroit où la
paix règne. Si un homme peut être le maître de lui-même, Dieu
peut incarner en lui, et peut l'appeler Son Fils. Tous les hommes et
les femmes doivent atteindre ce but, car c'est le but de la vie,
d'atteindre l'amour parfait avec Dieu, et d'atteindre l'amour parfait
entre un homme et une femme, l'amour des parents pour ces enfants,
et l'amour entre les frères, les soeurs, et les amis et avec la nature.
: >S'il y a dix personnes, cela fait aussittt dix directions
: >diffirentes ; c'est la dispersion. Le monde devint un monde de
: >confusion comme risultat de la chute.
: Suite du raisonnement. Decidement, notre cas ne s'arrange pas. A
: quand la solution?
La solution viendra avec l'avènement du Messie. En fait, il est
venu, et Rév. Sun Myung Moon est cet homme.
: >Adam doit se renier et Eve doit se renier igalement. S'il y a
: >dix membres dans une famille et que tous les dix essaient de
: >crier l'uniti en s'affirmant, l'uniti est impossible. S'il y a
: >dix membres dans une famille, tous les dix doivent se renier.
: Enfin la solution : ***SE RENIER*** , seule issue vers
: l'harmonie. Il y a des gens pour gober des trucs pareils?
Tu doit penser! Si les gens s'affirment, il a raison que l'unité
et l'harmonie soient impossibles. Mais si les gens se renient, s'ils
se mettent les intérêts de soi après les intérêts
des autres, ça marchera beaucoup mieux. Ce n'est pas difficile
à comprendre.
: >Nous en arrivons alors au point de renier notre corps et notre
: >pensie. Nous ne pouvons pas ne pas aller jusque-la.
: Encore plus fort : nous devons renier notre pensee, seul attribut
: qui nous distingue des animaux. Qu'est-ce que M. Moon veut faire
: de nous?
Non, absolument pas! Il réfère de renier nos intérêts,
n'importe quoi ce que je veuille, qui est entre moi et mon abilité
d'aimer l'autre personne. C'est très important de comprendre ça
pour avoir le bon mariage et la bon famille. Il faut savoir comment aimer
les autres et créer l'unité et l'harmonie chez soi.
: >Il ne saurait subsister un iota d'auto-affirmation.
: Sic! Vous etes d'accord, vous?
Affirmation de soi est le début de la disharmonie. Peut être
c'est difficile pour les français à comprendre, mais c'est la
érité! :-)
: >Une personne a beau chercher l'ipanouissement de sa nature
: >originelle dans cette liberti, en rialiti elle perd tout et
: >sombre dans l'agonie du disespoir. Ne pouvant trouver la
: >satisfaction de ses disirs et idiaux individuels, elle finit
: >par abandonner. C'est la rialiti que vivent aujourd'hui
: >beaucoup de personnes dans le monde libre, particulihrement aux
: >Etats-Unis.
: Ca, c'est bien joue! Pour ceux qui ne sont pas encore convaincus
: par ce qui precede, Papa Moon nous apprend que notre desir de
: liberte est en fait la cause de tous nos maux, surtout dans les
: pays ou M. Moon cherche sa clientele.
Quel cynique tu es! Est-ce que tu as trouvé la paix profond et
le bonheur dans ta vie? Où, au contraire, est-ce que tu es un homme
de désespoir, sans espoir, qui a abandonné ses idéaux? La
réalité des États Unis est que la richesse seule n'amene
pas le bonheur. Regardez O.J Simpson! Il avait tout, l'argent, le renom,
la belle femme, la famille avec les duex enfants minions, mais sans
l'amour de sa femme, il n'a rien de tout! Sans l'idéal de l'amour,
tous les hommes sont les pauvres.
: >Dans la pensie orientale existe le concept de soumission
: >absolue aux parents, ainsi que la notion de suivre les frhres
: >et soeurs annis. L'extension de ces notions signifie la
: >soumission aux leaders du clan, de la sociiti ou de la nation.
: >Ainsi aboutissons-nous a un fondement parfait basi sur l'idie
: >de soumission. Sinon, nous ne pouvons jamais avoir une
: >famille,un clan, une sociiti, une nation ou un monde conformes
: >a l'attente de Dieu.
: Ca, c'est la cerise sur le gateau. Il est bien connu que la
: pensee occidentale ne vaut rien (beerk!). Seule la pensee
: orientale est respectable. Et qu'est-ce qu'elle nous dit, cette
: bonne pensee orientale? Elle confirme le blabla vaseux qui
: precede. Merveilleux, non?
Je pense que la cause de la rupture familiale dans l'occident ait
beaucoup de rapport avec l'absense de la soumission de n'importe
quoi, soumission des enfants aux parents, soumission des épouses,
l'un à l'autre, soumission de l'homme à Dieu. La religion d'Islam
veut dire "la soumission". Il y a un désir profond dans le coeur
de chaque être humain d'être aimé tant par une personne qu'on
puisse se soumettre à cet amour. Dieu le Tout-Puissant même a un
désir irrésistible pour cet amour. Pour cela, Il nous a crée! Ne
veut tu pas avoir un tel amour où tu puisse te sentir sans danger
de te soumettre? Voilà le bonheur! Voilà le sexe sans pareil!
Voilà la paix profond dans le coeur de l'homme et la femme! Voilà
la famille où les enfants se sentent aimés! Si tu ne le comprends
pas, tu ne le comprends pas!
Blessings, ITPN,
Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net
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